Do you people think the way of getting Lost and Primordial is fair or not? And if you don’t like it how would you change it? Personally I think obtaining it should be more skill based (like fighting a op boss who blocks dodges etc and uses the lost magic you wanted to obtain and has to be beaten can only be done once of course) instead of praying to rng gods in order to get it and maybe make it so the scrolls purpose is to change your lost magic and will still be sought after since a lot of people will probably not be happy with their lost magic and want to change
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I don’t remember well (correct me if Im wrong) but I think you get the scrolls from chests right? if Im right then in my opinion I like the chest method, I think it keeps it more of a random chance rather than beating an npc.
yeah but couldn’t that become farmable unlike an rng-based way of obtaining it?
I think it should be somewhat RNG-based, since they are supposed to be rare after all.
Besides, the RNG in the game is part of the reason why auction houses are gonna be a thing. If you can’t find the lost magic that you want then hopefully someone will have it for sale in the auction.
RNG would be just as farmable, just slower and less interesting.
It depends on how many lost magics we want to have running around the world. It’s probably a lost cause to try and stop dedicated grinders from all having meta lost magic - they’ll do it if it takes 200 hours of chest farming.
On the other hand, if everyone’s using a lost magic then all the original magics will probably end up obsolete at high level play, which is a shame because they’re really cool.
In my opinion the entire idea is a bit of a mess - there’s no effective way of keeping it rare among high level players without making it a ridiculous unfun grind, and it goes against the core principle of “all magics are about the same power level, choose your favourite”. I honestly hope we don’t get lost magic - at least not in the way it’s currently planned.
What do you think about doing tournaments for lost magic scrolls?
That’d make it rare and solve the grinding problem, but now tons of players who don’t have the means to compete in a pvp tournament will never be able to access the lost magics.
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Then there could be stuff like trivia or games for lost magics aswell
That would still suck for the unfortunate people
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I can’t think of any way to counteract that aside from RNG
I think having the player do a boss fight against a miniboss 3x their level is fair.
A level 13 player can already kill a level 97+ miniboss fairly easily. All they need is a parry shield and then a hard hitting (or magic power efficient) magic like Gold, Iron, or even Plasma.
Lost scrolls are from Novice Quests and up I dont think youre portraying their difficulty the right way
Lost scrolls are from novice quests, but lost magics are:
Similar to Lost Spell Scrolls but rarer and harder to find, these are much more valuable and give the player a Lost Magic when activated.
I’m also kinda just opposed to having some magics be rarer and better than others. All it does is reduce variety at high level play.
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Even if there are some that are rarer and “better” than others I really don’t think that everyone will be able to use the “better” magics since the system would be fully RNG as to what magic you get, yeah you could trade for different lost magics but how likely are you to be able to trade for a better magic when the person themselves could just use it. I really doubt many lost magic scrolls will enter circulation in trading(because of how rare they would be) so I’d assume you would be able to see a wide variety of lost magics being used even if they aren’t the “better” ones.
Lost magics should be more gimmicky, not better. Primordial magics should be even more gimmicky.
this might be sort of crazy but I was thinking along the lines of the ritual that you talked about for primordial magics. and to get that you need to find several other items around the map that spawn randomly in chests. so instead of just finding a scroll you find several items to preform a ritual and then its some random lost or primordial magic. I think that this is quite fair. I think that the items and location for the ritual should change depending on the race of the player.
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First thing they are lost so RNG second you obtain them from S-class quest(Don t know the new name) and if its fro ma boss then it would make no lore sense , and probably via story line you are gonna get one if the story take you to that lvl
they wont end up obselete seeing as you can upgrade them to Master and have one elemental upgraded to Awakened.
also both lost magics and primordial magics come from long and difficult quests, while lost spells will be randomly rewarded from E-class quests and i believe E-class is Novice so novice+ quests have a chance to give you a lost spell.
Your wrong, check the trello bruda. It says that you can get it via completing jobs