Stock's plot holes and lore questions

Chapter 1

  • Morden just does not care about the player.
    He left them face-down unconscious to go bury his dead friend, and then he tells the player to just screw off and go anywhere other than where he is, even though they just told him that they have no idea what anything is anymore.

  • How does Hallbjorn get around?
    Environmental storytelling says that his longboat is crashed on that rock, but he’s not always on that rock, so does he just swim from place to place? It’s possible, given how shallow The Jaws are, but that would be so goofy.

  • Why are the jaws so shallow anyway?
    The gameplay reason is to make it easier for new players, but it also serves as how Redwake is propped up. The titular jaws are supposed to be spikes though, why do they just stop spiking below the water? As soon as you leave the jaws, the ocean floor just drops.
    Is there ever a time where the tide is so low that The Jaws are just one big island?

  • The Jaw Pirates’ attack plan was terrible.
    Redwake is probably their biggest long-term enemy, and when they want to take over Redwake once and for all, the only thing they do is send a bunch of rookies to go intimidate and pillage, and then they immediately call off the attack after an amnesiac starts hitting the pirates.

  • Shura is a jerk!
    Like, he sees someone come to his personal private island, and he immediately resorts to trying to kill them. Like, for all he knows he’s just burning and slicing the flesh off of an innocent explorer.
    Him being bad isn’t the problem really, it’s just that nobody notices. He only stopped shooting acid into the ocean because he didn’t even have a reason to do it.

    • Side note: There’s a possibility that he’s very powerful and although he wants to be left alone very badly, he is going easy on the player. Notice how he doesn’t even seem a little bit hurt after his battle.
  • Iris is a total meathead.
    Her dad went missing by the hands of Ravenna, so she decided, after much deliberation, to go covertly attack a random far-away town that happens to be protected by Ravenna.
    She’s kind of established to be this way on purpose further in the story, but it’s just not done in a great way, and she kind of loses that trait spontaneously after Chapter 4. I’ll get to that though. (Edit: did not get to that)
    Point is, she had plenty of time to think of a better plan or do anything else with her life.

Chapter 2

  • Ren is such a hobo by choice.
    He has his own little sailboat and he decided to just hang out alone at the bottom of a mountain. These are not the living conditions of a continental guardian. He claims that he went there to find someone, presumably Beringer. That does not give him a reason to stay at the bottom of that mountain doing nothing and to be sailing around on the tiniest boat with a sail, while his cohort is in mortal danger and he has some inclination about that.
    After researching, I see that he claims that he can’t go up there, but there’s no granted reason why.

  • What is Ormolu doing?
    Like, bro, you’re not trapped, the door is open, just leave.

  • The Order initiates are the most suspicious looking people in the Bronze Sea.
    Like, if you’re a secret organization that wants people to think you’ve been gone for years, why would you wear your gang logo, colors, and scary uniforms like some kind of Pokemon evil team?
    At this rate, the world will know that they’re back by next week simply by seeing any of them.

  • Greedy Randal.
    Just imagine writing a massive library full of your life’s worth of knowledge, and deciding to trap all your books in jelly for no reason. Why even write the books if you’re not gonna share?

  • What is Lord Elius doing there?
    You’d figure he’d want to be away from the scene of the crime as soon as it’s done. Why is he sticking around for people to wonder why Beringer went missing at the exact spot where he’s hanging out with a bunch of very suspicious people? And for that matter, why did he even need to show up? Argos did all the work.

  • What’s with the status hierarchy in the Order?
    It seems like every member of the Order of Aesir gets their position solely from their preexisting status. Initiates are nobodies, Agents are nobility, Barons are slightly less important than High Lords, and the only confirmed High Lord is a world leader. Shouldn’t it be based on their helpfulness?

Chapter 3

  • The Emo Appears
    OH HEY MORDEN, good to see you at this random place that we both just happened to coincidentally go to at the same time so that you can learn about the Death Curse in a minute!

  • The hidden passageway is weird.
    I actually don’t care that nobody’s noticed or destroyed it, I think it makes perfect sense. If someone important were inside the fort when it was attacked, you’d need to get them out. This passageway, if it wasn’t flooded, could serve as the perfect route to do that.
    That said, why is the entrance to the passage from the inside just a broken wall? Like, either it should be a door so that the passageway can be properly used, or it’s intentionally been sealed and should definitely not have a hole in it.
    Not to mention that you just have this dinky floating hallway inbetween both sides of the island.

  • This dungeon is empty.
    There’s a whole entire dungeon in Fort Talos, and absolutely nobody in it, yet like a hundred people guarding the cells. This place isn’t just housing soldiers, it’s also housing guards for this empty dungeon.
    There’s also those little doors that lead from the rafters to a sheer drop in the hallways. What are those for?

  • So, guards don’t need to be able to hear?
    You are forced to blast at least some of the fort’s guards, and the rest of them do not notice at all, no matter how loud you are. Even if you’re not paying attention to the story, this simply has to be the most jarring thing.

  • What makes Morden think he needs that curse?
    He’s not cut out to wield a curse, everyone tells him that after he gets it. It’s basically a deathwish to wield a curse without threatening political consequences for taking it from you. And what does he get out of taking it himself? Yes a lot of good things happen to happen because King Calvus didn’t get the curse, but Morden didn’t know that.

  • Argos looks 50 years old at most.


    This attractive young man has no business being seriously weakened due to “getting on in age”. I would expect this kind of power downgrade to happen to someone who’s going on 70 at least.

  • The fort is perfectly intact?
    I feel like a little more could’ve been done to show that Fort Talos crumbled behind you, but the whole dungeon that supposedly collapsed is in perfect working order.
    Yeah you need access to the Argos mirage, but you could have the arena buried under the rubble of the collapsed fort, as to not tarnish the cause and effect of collapsing the fort.

Alright so, I realize this isn’t worth my time investment. I’m writing way too much per section, so I’m cutting it off at Chapter 3.

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the vision is spreading

I wish the hole was like, covered up by a Ravenna banner or something. Small detail, but it would be cool and make sense.

i don’t think morden knew and i think he got it because extra power seems nice

His crystalline asscheeks are too dummy-thick to fit through the opening.

(feel free to put this in quotables for no reason)

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“I keep trying to leave the Stepstones but I’m dummy thick and the clap of my cheeks keeps causing earthquakes”

The real reason Ormolu doesn’t move in his fight :pensive_face:

Realistically, it’d lead into a toilet.

As most hidden passageways at the time did.

Here is another potential plot hole, Callahan says his father fought alongside king orion and they became friends after, but didnt orion die DURING the massacre? Like am i reading this wrong or misunderstanding or is this just incorrect

yeah i swear king orion got his ass ran through with a devourer and got his curse taken

The entirety of Skyhall was hit hard by king Orion’s death, especially the royal family, and it took a while for them to accept his death

errr yeah but he does tell us that after absorbing the curse he went straight to ravenna to try and find us and he actually in fact did

he probably just acts as an animal so he goes hunting around and then goes back to his territory

is it actually stated anywhere in game they wanted to take redwake for themselves or are you just assuming things? to me that js looks like a way to cause harm to the island considering jorund hates alfarin, and his crew is probably not as strong as him anyway since he’s the captain

she still acts crazy towards others (neviro’s journal mentions her threatening random ravenna folk with her magic and she literally acts rudely towards him at cirrus before knowing him better), it’s just that she sees us as a friend and treats us differently, like it’s literally her character that’s built like this on purpose…

to this day i dont know whether that sailboat is iris’ and warren just got there by flying or not, and iirc there is a rowboat docked at the stepstones during the cirrus arc so that’s even worse :sob: he does tell us at windrow he was once a very important figure so idk abt that

my brother, he’s insane like he has been stuck there for centuries has lost his mind and he probably doesnt fit through the entrance

you can find one of his books (arcane chronicles) in chests and most of the books in AA that were even sold at alalea’s library were written by him so yeah he does share


we don’t know if argos really did all the work, we just know he was the one to stab beringer so maybe he put up a fight?? like he is a curse user so it’s natural you’d be worried about his strength

no idea but jorund is a threat to the bronze sea, calvus has multitude of islands under the name of his kingdom in the bronze sea and literally controls the entire sea and argos is idk he’s respected by the bronze legion

read his journal bru

we fighting them is prolly js a gameplay thing but in reality we definitely just snapped their necks in silence or something idk that doesnt make much sense tbh

he was forced to absorb the curse or else the entire storyline would end at ravenna lmao. And beringer does tell him he saw something in morden but we dont know what yet

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Bet he charged a royalty fee for that