Trading Hard Vasti and clean exiled armor for clean oathkeeper

[ssm]

clean oathkeeper or an oathkeeper of any enchant im tired of grinding for 3 hours im losing hope xd

[Misinput]

maybe add some more stuff to that vast? a lot of people dont want to trade an oath for a vast
at least i wouldnt (probably because i have too many vasts)

[VenamixMusic]

even clean axe doesn’t worth clean oat at all, and hard axe is worse. Add

[jubileesucks]

@VenamixMusic

and hard axe is worse

I thought hard vast would be valued more?

[Hoover]

Goes powerful > hard > clean > swift. Hard is worth more, be it only a little iirc

[Misinput]

@VenamixMusic

and hard axe is worse

hard vast is valued higher than a clean vast

@jubileesucks

I thought hard vast would be valued more

it is. a hard axe has more versatility than a clean axe
good shield that doesnt break, very useful especially if you somehow keep breaking a heavy woj

[Drama]

3 hours? Not nearly enough.

[amahy]

Make that 30 hours and then give up i say

[VenamixMusic]

why would you use hard axe if you have heavy woj anyway. And it literally takes an hour to break a shield…
Vast is a weapon. Weapon specializes at dealing damage, not for defensive purpose.
And refer to vast value, I rate it strong > swift > clean > hard. Strong is self explanatory, swift for lower stamina consumption (even it may not be that noticeable).
Such enchantment value rating applies to all melee weapons btw

[jubileesucks]

vastira can be treated as a sheild because of its damage reduction percentage upon blocking + does not break

@VenamixMusic

Vast is a weapon. Weapon specializes at dealing damage, not for defensive purpose.

vastira is a slightly different case because of the statement above. as such, hard is worth higher because of this

@VenamixMusic

I rate it strong > swift > clean > hard

hard > strong > clean > swift | strong > hard > clean > swift

(might be wrong)

[Misinput]

@VenamixMusic

why would you use hard axe if you have heavy woj anyway. And it literally takes an hour to break a shield…

good block, and its cheaper than a woj

@VenamixMusic

Vast is a weapon. Weapon specializes at dealing damage, not for defensive purpose.

then why does it have 30% blocking power

@VenamixMusic

swift for lower stamina consumption

fair, but a hard vast has far more noticeable uses rather than a swift vast. the low stamina isnt noticeable because you gain stamina during the mighty crash endlag. why would you swing with a vast?

@VenamixMusic

Such enchantment value rating applies to all melee weapons btw

hard oath i believe is considered better than a swift oath
oaths:
Strong > Clean > Hard > Swift

vasts:
Strong > Hard > Clean > Swift

sunken swords:
Strong > Swift = Clean > Hard
^^ this is a debated opinion, but might as well add it

[Nuclearman7]

@VenamixMusic

I rate it strong > swift > clean > hard.

Normally i would mostly agree on this. Overall swift is either equal, has a little more value or has a little less value than clean depending on the trader’s opinion.
But vasts are basically the only relevant exception. Swift does absolutely nothing for a vast which is why it is the worst enchant. A hard vast is a good alternative for a shield and cannot break which in some cases might be very useful.

Still just like what i said for swift, hard is either a little less valuable, equal or more valuable than clean. But hard is 100% not the worst enchant

[Nuclearman7]

@jubileesucks

might be wrong)

Almost. If you put strong before hard you would have been 100% correct

@Misinput

hard oath i believe is considered better than a swift oath

Swift is a decent bit more valuable. But both of them are just really bad enchants for oaths so it doesnt really matter much. Other then that good reply yes

[Misinput]

i used to use hard oath as shield because it looks cool so i might have some bias