“New voice in my head, who dis?”
“Kill your friends, Morden.”
“Nah.”
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Nope but I did draw about it, pretty cool to see Hades indirectly control his 2 Undead Brothers and Prometheus via Durza
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no that was Poseidon, but well, I think that’s the roman version of the myth I think
I thought it was Poseidon? (Percy Jackson knowledge here ig)
yeah that’s what I thought too
Hades created Durza more or less. He was the one who granted him the absorption curse. There are 2 curses that are considered as “experimental” (a term used by Vetex), the Lazarus Curse and the Absorption Curse. Both of these curses were created by Hades. Hades 100% turned Durza into what he was.
Why is this being said again??? It wasnt just Hades who made the Curse, it was the Gods in general???
My biggest grievance personally with Hades controlling Durza, is the fact Durza utilized undead, which are completely anathema to Hades as Lord of the Dead. The man’s main job is to make sure the dead stay in their proper place, and it makes no sense he would support much less directly cause any scheme that defies death itself.
This is why in an unpublished essay that I wrote about Hades, I put forth the idea that while Hades may have influenced Durza his main goal wasn’t the destruction of humanity, but the destruction of humanity’s magic. This makes a lot more sense to me, because while Hades is the Lord of the Dead he has no interest in creating more death. If you’re familiar with the Percy Jackson series this was his reason for not wanting a war between the gods.
What I believe happened is that similar to Cursebeard, Durza’s power grew to the point where Hades could no longer influence him, and hoped the spirit form he suggested Durza take would give him more control of the Dark Wizard. This of course failed, and Durza became incomprehensibly powerful, and completely free of Hades’ control.
In the next however many hundreds of Durza gained Death Revival and began his world conquering ambitions. Hades disgusted by this withdrew from the world realizing that anytime the gods interfere with mortals it only leads to more destruction. This is why when the Peacekeeper found him Hades gave them the knowledge of how to destroy curses, hoping that with that knowledge and Hades’ death the world may finally begin to heal.
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Wait, that could theoretically make a lot of sense. Most of the gods were AGAINST the idea of humans wielding magic. And so much so that this may have been one of the things that led to the War of the Gods. Maybe the Gods wanting to wipe out humanity for having magic? And not just physically but literally erase them?
Actually… that would explain why Durza was that destructive if Hades was controlling him…
Also, Hades is actually revealed to be stuck in the Underworld, so theres really not much he can do aside from influencing people or something like that.
And furthermore, it explains why Hades would ultimately decide to just let PK know how to destroy curses. Thinking about it now, THAT is the one thing that actually sounds like the real, mythological Hades would do. Being actually helpful lmao.
And maybe Hades’ death was something that happened by choice. Considering you know… all the other gods are dead.
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That would give Durza his agency back and make him an interesting character again that isn’t just a puppet for a bigger badder villain so I’m all for it
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I’m a bit confused by your phrasing here, are you saying that the gods wanted to wipe out humanity? Because what I meant with Hades removing magic, is that by using Durza as basically a magic sponge Hades would be able to gather all the magic into a singular person who he could drag to the underworld thus removing humanity’s access to magic.
This is obviously a flawed idea, but remember basically all the other gods are dead (personally I believe that some of the gods were used as ingredients for the curses. Persephone=Growth, Thanatos=Death, Ect.) So Hades wracked with grief was not in the right frame of mind to think about the consequences of giving a single person so many curses. This Durza broke free from Hades control, causing even more death and destruction. The thing Hades was specifically trying to avoid.
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And maybe Hades’ death was something that happened by choice. Considering you know… all the other gods are dead
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Yeah that was what I was thinking too, I really want to make a comic or story of the confrontation between PK and Hades, with Hades being somewhat like Asgore where he’s just really tired and ready to die, hopeful in the knowledge that his death shall build a better world.
That is basically why I started writing about Hades, I really hate the idea that Durza didn’t actually do all the horrible things he did, and to blame it all on Hades was just insult to injury.
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Well I understand it like Durza always wanted to absorb other magics to become stronger, but that sometime after (probably) the moment he got the Earth Curse, Hades came like “hey man you want to become stronger?”
I was saying that the idea of Hades being against humanity having magic might be actually possible because Vetex had said himself that MOST of the Gods hated the idea of humanity having magic.
So that being Hades’ belief, and one of the factors leding to the whole Durza thing does make sense. If he said most, the Hades is more likelier to be one of those gods.
I was just listing it as a possibility that led to the War of the Gods, cause I wouldnt imagine theyd be idle about the whole thing if they were unhappy. I mean, the Gods were clearly doing something that humanity had to go to war and kill them. Poseidon had to betray the gods for the greater good. Something’s up.
I feel like we might just have to wait and see what AO’s story will reveal. The lore doc actually reveals very little about the true lore of the Arcane Universe, to the point that Tech kinda laughed at how we knew so little about the lore, saying we had “no idea”
Also, Vetex once revealed in patreon chat (its not major spoilers, so I can say it, but spoilered just in case) that anything about the Underworld is actually spoilers. That means its gonna be covered in the story. If something like that is important, then maybe other stuff such as Hades’ motives will be revealed.
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plot twist he was just lonely and wants to see his brothers again and isnt evil at all!!
tbh i meant humanity did kill most of his friends(?, was Hades friends with any of the Gods im not well-versed in mythology), understandable enough if he wants to do the same thing to them
I mean he did love his wife, and haven’t heard anything that said she didn’t die, so I could him wanting revenge against them for Persephone’s sake.
wait
since it’s possible to put a kind of ‘message’ to influence the user in curses (like how the grand fire curses would make the user want to fight cursebeard ), that would mean that Hades could’ve made the absorption curse make its user extra power-hungry, thus making the user want to steal as many magics from as many people as possible, but since a curse can’t completely influence the user unless they go insane (which would be bad in the case of absorption), durza would’ve still had the power to somewhat ignore the urge to steal magic for a while.
but since he still has somewhat free will, he looked for the ruins where he learned dead revival magic, which is probably not what Hades would’ve wanted.
Hades could’ve given Durza the power to turn into the dark spirit, which would also make that statement about Hades using him to experiment with pure dark magic true. The dark spirit power thingy would’ve also made it much more efficient for Durza to steal magic, since he wouldn’t be bound by a physical body
Also the fact that Hades knows how to destroy curses with the absorption curse just makes me believe more in the theory that Hades wants to stop humans from having magic (or at least the gods would want that)
thats because Zeus asked Hades too lmfao
and in the end Hades treated Persephone well, enough that she likes Hades back
again hades is just misunderstood
no one ever gonna respect my boy hades 
#FreeHades
Why would youd disrespect Hades like that
Don’t diss him like that.