it isn’t
that wasn’t my problem
swift on atlantean cutlass
bursting on triasta
bursting on atl claws
bursting on ssword
bursting on almost everything that ain’t mobility or ranged or better with ardent
dense will fuck you up so hard 
Okay maybe I should’ve been more specific
Really just use common sense ig?
Have an atlantean cutlass or sunken? Use dense like 8/10 times
Have a dagger or weapon you want to use to land projectiles with faster? Use ardent
And reserve tempered for guns almost always
Just how counterproductive would it be to run high atk speed and no size with atlantean weapons ? My goal’s to try to get as much speed as possible while still getting the minimum size required for skills like sparrow to be useable still. I’d theoratically go for 300-ish speed (this’d be a full release build, and I’m not afraid to lose out on defense anyway)
And I do understand that speed with a multiplier inferior to one isn’t idea but it’s what I thought it’d be fine if I’m ready to invest enough
depends on which weapons
cutlass, rapier and claws you’ll be fine, same with mace if you’re good at landing brutal rushes and cjudgments, but it’s really not great with the size focused ones
sparrow is always usable even with the most atrociously low size, it becomes a quick chip damage move for a fairly large area at mid range
cutlass rapier and claws was typically the loadout I was going for, though claws go down to 0.8x speed which I believe to be very low
dense vro 
Yuo’re mom dense 
you dont wanna make me let the wolf out bud… i see red…
Well, yea, my pfp is red 
Blud fell off when he got possessed by Charon, I wouldn’t be caught lacking like that fr
no blud fell off several times before that i js dont know where you are so i dont wanna spoil (hes fodder)
We’d solo Vergilius fr…
(cs
Erm well it’s legal where I live iirc sooo gg ez!!
im john weed buddy you need my permission
(this derailing gotta stop)
Ardent dagger good
Dense dagger bad
i used to run dense ptd
Was it when ardent was bugged and it made everything slower
no i used it when the disarming update dropped and i wanted a big weapon that could inflict poisoned. i knew the dagger was gonna make skills smaller so i used dense to counteract it (it didnt) so the flash strikes and like flying slashes werent miniscule