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[The_Tron]

@A_friendly_Bear

we do evil bc it brings us something we perceive as good,

Excuse me for intruding, and this is just my personal opinion; I completely respect yours, but I’d like to share mine, not that you need to care or understand it. But as a student of biology, sociology, and philosophy, personally, along with many other scholars, we believe that good and evil don’t exist. It’s just a human concept we give to something that may or may not benefit us.

For one person, killing another to conceal a malicious act is something good; for others, it’s something bad. It’s all context.

( It’s just one way of seeing the world, I respect yours, please respect mine, thank you!!

[A_friendly_Bear]

well we are still selfish and aware, manipulators dont destroy their victims nor a stalker is in plain sight, that is not to say in my worldview at least we dont do good, we do it passively, never by our will but something else does the work, we are passive in that and show the fruits of his work, i believe all feeling that, but in our current state we simply are bend inwards, total depravity doesnt mean we are idiots that can’t think for far future

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

This is such a horrifyingly wrong mindset I don’t know what to tell you

Do you just walk out in public and assume everyone around you is a sociopath?

[Mr_hyperspace]

@A_friendly_Bear

we do it passively, never by our will

Top 10 takes that make you lose your faith in the humanity of random internet denizens

[The_Tron]

That’s becoming fallacious on your part; he said he has a negative view, which doesn’t mean he’s an extremist. You’re escalating it beyond what he said. I also have a negative view of most people, but that doesn’t mean I think everyone is horrible.

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

He called us all manipulators

I think my argument (while a little passionate) isn’t unsound

[The_Tron]

I don’t really know everything that’s going on, but honestly, wouldn’t it be better if you both just left it alone? This conversation isn’t going anywhere… I’m leaving quietly, goodnight to you both.

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

I mean it’s alright to think people are unpleasant

People can be Jerks, I’d know for sure, I’ve been bullied left and right

But that doesn’t mean my bullies were evil, nor does that mean unpleasant people are evil at all

Evil is being used very liberally here

[Mr_hyperspace]

@The_Tron

wouldn’t it be better if you both just left it alone

This is one of the rare instances where arguing with someone on the internet isnt pointless because the other persons opinion is actively damaging

[A_friendly_Bear]

@DubiousLittleTyp0

This is such a horrifyingly wrong mindset I don’t know what to tell you

i merely call it the logical conclusion from history and psychology, but lets be fair, i never said that i think all people are sociopaths, all i said is that our will is bended to serve ourself, sure we might take pleasure from killing a mosquito or do stuff bc it benefits us as a hidden motivator that we arent aware but i dont think most people go around thinking non-stop “im gonna kill my neighbor tomorrow”

@DubiousLittleTyp0

He called us all manipulators

u missrd the point, the point was that a manipulator doesnt destroy his victim, he simply uses it as much as possible, u say the manipulator would instantly go to the exteme with the victim, in ur society question, i say that we arent self destructive, a manipulator is smart enough to make the most, so we are, smart enough to make the most hence why we dont destroy ourselves like u think

@The_Tron

I completely respect yours

i also respect your view, but i do wanna warn u ro be careful on not making the authority fallacy, just bc someone that has authority or a consensus says something doesn’t mean its automatically right

i do like ur honestly, subjective morality leads to that but my point is that just isnt reality

[The_Tron]

@A_friendly_Bear

ust bc someone that has authority or a consensus says something doesn’t mean its automatically right

Oh my god, beautiful argument. It’s actually correct; I unconsciously fell into the most basic fallacy. Which, in a way, reinforces your point. Unfortunately, sometimes we do things even unintentionally.

Anyway, I’m going now. Good night, kisses, kisses.

[Mr_hyperspace]

@A_friendly_Bear

a manipulator is smart enough to make the most, so we are, smart enough to make the most hence why we dont destroy ourselves like u think

Ok so in this scenario we DONT smash grugs head in with a rock because… we have a plan to construct a society to maximize the suffering of every living person without committing murder subconsciously somehow???

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

@A_friendly_Bear

i merely call it the logical conclusion from history and psychology, but lets be fair, i never said that i think all people are sociopaths, all i said is that our will is bended to serve ourself, sure we might take pleasure from killing a mosquito or do stuff bc it benefits us as a hidden motivator that we arent aware but i dont think most people go around thinking non-stop “im gonna kill my neighbor tomorrow”

Statement of a man who has no idea what actual sociopathy is

@A_friendly_Bear

u missrd the point, the point was that a manipulator doesnt destroy his victim, he simply uses it as much as possible, u say the manipulator would instantly go to the exteme with the victim, in ur society question, i say that we arent self destructive, a manipulator is smart enough to make the most, so we are, smart enough to make the most hence why we dont destroy ourselves like u think

So you’re saying that all people exploit everything they’re given to the absolute fullest extreme just to serve their own selfish desires?

Read that again and tell me with a straight face (or comment) such a take is absurd

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

The people who discovered insulin said that they wanted the cure to be free for everyone

While unfortunately such a belief isn’t reflected in modern society, it’s still proof that we don’t act on self interest all the time

[A_friendly_Bear]

that isnt my worldview tho, my view is simply that humans are inherently selfish, we take pleasure from causing harm (just in general, not just harm to humans) and that evil is goodness corrupted , misused or absence of it, simply said when someone does evil, they do it bc they get something they see it as good, we are smart enough to not kill others bc we realize the potential goodness we get, evil isnt just causing suffering

@DubiousLittleTyp0

Statement of a man who has no idea what actual sociopathy is

i actually took a lot of interest in ASPD

@DubiousLittleTyp0

Read that again and tell me with a straight face (or comment) such a take is absurd

people are inherently evil and can only do good passively bc something else does the work, we only display the fruits of it

@DubiousLittleTyp0

The people who discovered insulin said that they wanted the cure to be free for everyone

perfectly fits my worldview

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

@A_friendly_Bear

people are inherently evil and can only do good passively bc something else does the work, we only display the fruits of it

Okay then

Riddle me this

WHAT is evil?

Because clearly we have VERY different denfitions on what it means to be EVIL and not just flawed

[A_friendly_Bear]

evil is the absence of goodness, to be more percise corruption and/or misuse of goodness

imagine darkness, darkness isnt a thing, its absence of light, so darkness exists bc light exists, same for evil, evil isnt a thing that exist by itself, its non-substance

i also run on virtue ethics, virtues and vices

when someone does something evil, its always to get something good, and important note, to get something that the person perceives as good, bassically no one does evil for the shake of evil, its illogical to do that

ur qouting the wrong thing btw, bc that is about total depravity idea, usually in religious ideas but i will keep it non-religious as i held to that view long before i become religious

total depravity is the philosophical view that humans are totally depraved, our wills are destructive as it is bend inwards, meaning we always chose to do evil, a type of evil, we can get goodness and we will still twist

there are views that add stuff, which i also hold that there is something transcendent, while we cannot do good by ourselves, this thing is active in making all the work for us, resulting that we passively do good

think of being under the sun, u dont chose to become warm, logically the heat from the sun warms u, but u can try to run away or filter the heat to be the heat you want

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

You’re not Socrates brotassium

[A_friendly_Bear]

oh come on dub, you can at least engage more, u asked me a question that requires a big answer, plus what if i like the Socratic method?

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

You formed a completely circular argument that doesn’t answer what evil or goodness actually is

I don’t feel a need to go on, this is just pointless and you’re delulu