Full Release Update Patch Notes (Discussion Thread) (Part 2)

While the hitstun might be short, it is still stun. And when paired with paralyzed, it will get hits in.

Let’s assume the hitstun is.. say, 1/100th of a second. You’re still applying paralyzed, and they will get hits in since you’re right up on their face and slowed. Even with the most negligible end-lag, this is just giving stun builds the power to disarm you.

What this does is all but beneficial to fighting style builds. Even with the shortest endlag in the world, they will gain benefits in the form of possible applicable stun. And what’s the easiest way to apply stun? Well, how about slowing your opponent to half their speed. this is just going to make all FS builds that can’t stun un-viable.

If you’re encouraging a meta where only Sailor lightning/ice/snow warlock, Thermo explosion, or anything that moves at blistering fast speed are the top dominant classes and others are completely useless in comparison, there’s something wrong with you.

not possible, leap doesn’t use air charges it has its own unique cooldown that only refreshes upon hitting solid ground

Does feel extremely weird to have the slower, harder hitting fighting styles building up stun slower. Doesn’t make a ton of sense and is the opposite of how it works in Elden Ring but I guess we’ll see how it plays out. In ER the faster stuff doesn’t poise break as much but has overall higher DPS, which seems like a smart way of doing it so I don’t know man.

Hear me out, wouldn’t it make the most sense if every style just had its own poise damage value as a new stat associated with them? That way it could be more explicitly controlled and there could be styles that are remarkable for their higher or lower poise damage than usual.

Then that’s a stun warlock issue and not specifically a hitstun issue

I’m not talking about hitstun exclusively. I’m against the entire rework.

My point disregards hitstun, and even without that, stun builds will be the only FS builds viable. Due to possibly being the easiest build to apply that 3 seconds disarm/stun. Do you seriously want a meta where only a few-stand out builds are viable while others are completely useless?

Also this buffs attack speed so if you hate Aspeed you’re being quite the hypocrite

Saying that a meta will form around hitstun despite having no reference point of it in actual combat is crazy work. Like, if it is as busted as you make it out to be wouldn’t the testers make sure to properly balance it before releasing to the public?

Ok berserker sounds hype as fuck now

My point is that even with hitstun disregarded, (can you like… read) builds that aren’t stacking stun on stun that accumulates to a 3 second poise break will not stand. Other builds or people that can’t constantly poise break will just get lowered damage.

I guess I don’t know much about the game.
I checker multiple times to see if I wasn’t in a dream… or a nightmare, while reading the patchnotes
Did Vet just go rogue like that ? Did fighting styles just become absurd ?

No a defined meta is obviously bad, but we have no idea if that’ll be the case. Once again no info on how well attack speed and speed multiplier on styles boost with the scaling or even how large our poise meter is and how swiftly we regen from it. Until we get more info being mad is genuinely pointless. You’re leaping to conclusions and letting your frustrations with other issues leak in (stun warlock and attack speed).

Ima just stop here because this is getting pretty repetitive, but hopefully we get some more info or a clip of it at some point soon

Please, vetex, let us choose the finisher animation so I can do this to people

thats why vetex made the disclaimer people dont read still tho

Like you guys seem pretty chill about it, but I really do believe that good berserker and warlock players will simply be unmatched in power with this (warlock is especially scary)

Your do know that you’re just saying things you already said again

Honestly I’ll switch my warlock slot to boxing if it gets something like this

This is why we have the unpaid interns testers

I mean why wouldn’t they test a change this big before full release lol

I mean, sure, but for as long as I’ve been following the patch notes, I’ve never seen Vetex post anything this blatantly busted
This’ll be the last thing I say about this till we get more info,
We’re gonna regret crystal leg in comparison.

Yeah because you don’t seem to understand that one simple fact and view your imagination as a fact.

That’s a valid worry and I can see it happening if he handles this poorly, but we just don’t know how major it is yet so I’m not gonna rant about it yet