Mage Problem(s)

[NickyZ1]

Ermm actually, magma is lava when under the earth, so it doesn’t really move

[Kosmo]

@Maple

aha so you use fire

I’ve been caught red handed
(I like to use non-meta magics. The problem is they are non-meta.)

@Maple

200 damage is enough, warriors just happen to be meta rn

One tiny problem is that sometimes, that isn’t enough
If you use a beam (Does 120 for me, non-double beam) and the opponent has 2k HP (Pretty common berserker), and you are a fire mage (need to do 7% of the opponents Hp to burn them), you need to do (2000 * 7%) - 2000 damage, or 140 damage. Meaning I cant use beams if I wanna do decent damage.

@Maple

thats exactly what i stated in an upcoming video lmao

I am a mindreader.

@Maple

this is why you run agility and speed
bc then your endlag is less and your dodhes are long, grabs cant change direction and they have constant speed meaning you could just yoink out of the way

dodging is really important, especially for a mage, and is probably more useful than blocking

Compeltely agree. Thats why I’m 92 attack speed rn
Also, I’m certain that the endlag isn’t affected by the attack speed, as foreshadowed by this:

Dodging is important, I’ll agree. Thank goodness for the stamina bonus.

With the whole “Grabs cant change direction”, it doesn’t really matter because even if it misses, it is now closer to you. Because its closer, it can do another TP move or preform another grab.

@Maple

musket, only if they can aim (and its very hard to hit aerials)
shot, having no range unless you are a thermo fist users and i hate thermo fist users
beam is just better shot too because of dual beams (beams set at 2x is just a better single beam)

About the musket: While you are using a attack, they can counter by shooting at you.
Shot has higher damage, and double-beam leaves you open. Plus, its aoe is massive.

@Maple

no risk if youre across the map
also the endlag isnt extreme, i have a wind mage with like 40 speed and its fine

Musket demolishes you if you play too far range. And berserker can catch up to you faster than a pitbull chasing after a 12 year old.
Endlang isn’t extreme-extrme, but it does mess you up when ping/fast playstyles are involved.

@Maple

5% of 4000, which is highly unlikely that you opponent has that much hp, is 200
so basically you just need to deal 100 damage since that is 5% of 2000 (and no one deals less than 100 damage)

See fire magic’s 7% damage thingy

@Maple

yea because they cant use anything else lmao
mage can use arcanium weapons
berserker might be able to use strength weapons? (trello card says you need str to use it but it also scales with weapons)

so yea
they deserve it
and also we dont know warriors 2nd awakening, could be something mid
and regardless of what the trello says, i dont think hybrids will be able to use most ancient magics unless they sacrifice to 60% magic

I’ll concede on this, I do agree warriors kinda deserve it. Idk, we’ll have to see for the future.

@Maple

sweating has heat magic synergies

theres just no sandstorm/heat wave weather evemt yet

and yea it would benefit berserksers but only thermo users
which is already powerful enough

and if it benefits every build (hence probably needing more balancing) then why add the weather in the first place
its meant for immersion, meaning you should be physically affected

Immersion shouldn’t outweigh PVP. Its a small, simple change of just preventing weather-things affecting pvp. It sucks when yo are pvping in munera and it starts raining, forcing all parties involved to wait until the rain is over

@Maple

but why change magics, simply stick to the one you chose at first (which should be your favorite, and 2nd/3rd should be your next favorites if your favs switched)
and if you find you dont like magics at all just switch builds

I mean magic is unbalanced, that why people would change magic. (And about being your favorite, that might mean its your favorite look but not the favorite in terms of damage)

[MrNormalBox]

nerf magma.

[Kosmo]

Please my ego can’t take this any longer.

[Kosmo]

We’re all maidenless

[NickyZ1]

Kill Maple, then he wont be able to destroys your arguments

[Kosmo]

I cant. Im fire mage. If he goes underwater im screwed (I sure hope arcane odyssey doesnt have alot of water)

[Kosmo]

Anyways im going nap nap. Unlike you LOSERS I have a sleeping schedule to keep >:)

(Yall are cool dw, its all sarcasm!)

[NickyZ1]

Fire mage mindset:

Woah i love my fire Magic!
goes underwater
where is my fire magic

[Maple]

its only 10pm come back i have more essays to write

[NickyZ1]

Let man sleep, he is tired after a long day of sweating at forum

[GlitchingEclipse]

same here, in the morning i’ll have a topic about game idea i have :troller:

[Maple]

@Kosmo

If you use a beam

pls use a double beam if you have 90 speed you need to use double beam it has like .2s more startup

140 is not a lot of damage, and that is why you need double beam

also isnt all dot magics 5% hp dealt

@Kosmo

With the whole “Grabs cant change direction”, it doesn’t really matter because even if it misses, it is now closer to you. Because its closer, it can do another TP move or preform another grab.

you read the grab, dodge twice, and now youre on the other side of munera again
also grabs share cooldown and tps dont go far (plus they have endlag meaning you can get a shot in

@Kosmo

About the musket: While you are using a attack, they can counter by shooting at you.
Shot has higher damage, and double-beam leaves you open. Plus, its aoe is massive.

piercing shot has a range limit, and as ive said before, requires really good aiming skill
oh and since i havent said this before: make sure you high jump before a skill (and maybe a magic jump) as that makes you much harder to hit
also shot maybe be braindead but its range is lower than beams meaning you can probably get out of range just by being above them (trust me it is very hard to hit someone above you)

@Kosmo

And berserker can catch up to you faster than a pitbull chasing after a 12 year old.

which is why you need to be in motion at all times
they may be fast but smash (main way of close damage) has a pretty big startup especially if they smash downwards

@Kosmo

Immersion shouldn’t outweigh PVP. Its a small, simple change of just preventing weather-things affecting pvp. It sucks when yo are pvping in munera and it starts raining, forcing all parties involved to wait until the rain is over

keep in mind ao is like 70% exploration and basically every small feature that is added is for immersion, so i think vetex values detail over combat
even if i did agree with you, it probably wont make a difference

@Kosmo

I mean magic is unbalanced, that why people would change magic. (And about being your favorite, that might mean its your favorite look but not the favorite in terms of damage)

but thats why its your favorite is it not, a favorite in damage is still a favorite, however its more closer to metamancing but ehh

and if you do do less damage, then your stats and playstyle should match

its kinda annoying sometimes but as a mage your abilities arent changing to fit your playstyle, instead your playstyles are changed to fit your abilities
i feel as thats what makes non meta builds different from meta builds

instead of using meta because no skill, just get more skill and dont use meta!
it applies here similarly, if you find yourself failing to play well, go what its good for. fire is good for synergies, speed, and mayybe damage, so you want agility and atk speed, while keeping your damage up. (nimble cernyx with powerful arcsphere and power amulet)

[Maple]

heat magic mindset:
haha, dot!

ao is an ocean based game

fuck

[evilchiraqeangoon38]

@NickyZ1

Meta this, meta that, have you ever met a fucking girl in your life?

this is my new favourite forum post of all time

[GlitchingEclipse]

He literally quoted like a yu gi oh meme but sure elment

[GlitchingEclipse]

Literally conjurer lmao

[Virge13579]

Mage doesn’t have any actual problems, players who face mages are still at the mercy of POSITIONING this is why they are called ZONERS, the moment a mage get’s a high ground via a roof or a cliff is where they can reliably cast their spells.

And to be honest with you fast magic such as wind, shadow and probably light are meta due to how reliable they can be on hitting BLASTS a spell that can be used indefinitely with 200 damage if your aim is decent enough.

So really it’s either you focus on Blast aim or focus on your positioning as a mage. (I mostly focus on positioning because Earth blasts are pretty hard to aim long range it’s mostly just predicting at that point.)

EDIT: And there are no best shapes, Drill is just bugged atm shapes are there to cater to your blast playstyle. Just use no shape honestly…

[Misinput]

i think the problem with mage rn is, for pvp, you cant use anything that isnt really quick and does good damage
i use metal. cant hit blasts ever really, even with sphere shape which grants extra size. i also got like 100 magic speed but it doesnt help a lot.
so what do i do? i use explosions and beams of course! but they do like no damage, have huge end lag or startup, and someone can just hit a blast or some fs/weapon projectile and do twice as much damage as i just did.
i try playing aggressive to hit metal blasts, but every build in the game has better mobility than mage. grabs, crash, etc all are amazing ways to move around and all mage has is dodges. so people just run away and spam ranged moves on me. fair enough, its how you beat metal, but i have absolutely no way to hit any shots. its simply too good of a counter. plus how ill use snare right next to someone and it wont land, then i get punished with half my hp. and for some reason, even if i spam blasts, hybrid builds like thermo warlord and conjurer builds still outdamage me??? i use metal for christ sake
im not sure how i could fix these issues as i do think metal is just not good rn, but i do wish i could play my funny high damage magic without getting greened everytime

[Maple]

with metal you dont run speed
you become a size sinner