In practice that is what happens… but it’s in theory a way to entertain the idea of different verses fighting against each other, as well as just answering curiosity. Although it is a battlefield of arguing
iirc naruto and sasuke are said to be continential level at the end of the original series, which ig should placed them at around the level of Theos and Duzra since those two also shattered an entire continent with their attacks
or maybe slightly lower since it’s also said that the shockwave from the attack was strong enough to be felt throughout the entire world
and since naruto and sasuke defeated ( well, not really since, you know… ) Madara, ig Theos alone should have a good 60% chance of winning the funny uchiha guy
unless he pulled some genjutsu shts and mess with Theos, then maybe he’ll win
prettt sure he also have a bunch of other OP techniques that im forgetting
What… the actual fuck?
How are people so fucking stupid as to say there’s speeds greater than inaccessible, or to simplify it, infinite speeds? Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but last time I checked, if you’re moving infinitely fast, you’re not capable of moving faster than that, because the entire concept of infinite speed is that it’s fucking infinite. Infinite. Infinite is not some big number, it is the concept of endless. Defining numbers as size, a Discord moderator’s size is unimaginable, but it’s literally nonexistent compared tot he size of infinity. Your mama’s end may be theoretical, but infinity’s endless. There IS no end. To put it simply, [insert a quote from Scythe, I’m going to sleep and updating this rant tomorrow].
Not to mention the fact that acceleration isn’t a thing if you can move at “infinite speeds” because to move infinitely fast you need to literally teleport, which the tier list the ranter sourced said isn’t counted for infinite speed???
Speed is distance/time, so to achieve infinite speed, you would need D/T to = infinite, which isn’t possible, at all, unless T= 0. Why? Because if T = >0, then you can measure exactly how fast something is going at any given point, by simply seeing how far they go during T, which will always equal a terminating number, because the universe isn’t infinite, it’s just infinitely expanding. Travelling from anywhere to the universe to somewhere else while T isn’t 0 would mean that time has passed, in which case you simply measure how far they went. Is it the fastest they can go? Perhaps not, but every time you do this, no matter how fast they go, unless T = 0, the speed travelled will always be a finite number, and if T = 0, then it’s literal teleportation, which the tierlist voided.
Also, there’s nothing greater than infinity, so I don’t know how people have tierlists of this anyways. Moving at infinite speeds implies you have perfect control since it’s literal teleportation
Yeah that’s a common/major problem most people have with powerscaling, it tries to rationalize fictional, physically impossible tasks using real-world physics. No matter how hard they try, there will always be some form of inconsistency when trying to explain how the impossible is possible.
If you're interested, here's the VS Battle Wiki's explanation on infinite & immeasurable speed
On Infinite Speed, Immeasurable Speed and How They Compare
Being able to casually roam around freely across linear time qualifies for immeasurable speed. However, traveling to different time periods through movement is a common feat in fiction that often leads to inconsistencies and has been done via FTL travel or running laps around the earth faster than it rotates. This can lead to characters being assigned an additional, independent, speed rating for the ability. This should preferably be evaluated case by case.
The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere in zero time, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen faster than in zero time.
For more information, Infinite speed characters are so fast, they move faster than time can flow at any period. They perceive every finite speed character as completely frozen and it takes 0 time to react to any finite speed object or travel finite speed distance. They can also perform and infinite number of actions or travel infinite distance within a finite amount of time. An infinite speed character’s perception of time only flows when they allow it to flow.
Immeasurable speed characters are far beyond even those Infinite speed characters listed above. They perceive infinite speed characters as completely frozen, and they can travel forward and backward in time at will. They have the speed necessary to hop from the beginning of time, to the end of time, and anywhere in between as casually as a human being can roll their eyes left or right. This also means their reaction time is faster than instantaneous. They can dodge an attack that already has been struck, and they can strike someone even before they launched an attack. And they can do all of this via sheer speed.
When evaluating speed feats resulting in infinite speed a high amount of scrutiny should be applied. Speed feats of this nature frequently turn out to be Outliers and statements regarding infinity are prone to be Hyperbole. One should consider whether it is more plausible and consistent to assume that the abilities creating infinite distance or zero time were resisted, circumvented or nullified instead, or if Teleportation or similar were employed. Filling or lightning up infinite-sized realms must require substantial amounts of evidence. But if the intent for the infinite-sized realm is clear and repeatedly hammered in multiple times, then there’s no reason to assume otherwise and it should be acceptable.
When it comes to scaling such speed to other attacks or characters a high amount of scrutiny is necessary. Often these speeds don’t scale to any regular attack or other characters. Fictions tend to prove this fact by the attacks and/or movement of characters not starting and finishing simultanously, even if the characters are moving a finite distance, despite the fact that this should be the case for infinitely fast characters. Generally, to scale such speed feats to characters or other attacks the verse needs to provide solid evidence for it and consistently portray the character/attack and those that scale as moving that fast.
To be fair, you could just say that its some character tapping into some nigh-omnipotent physics-bending force allowing them to go infinitely fast, the actual issue would be that you couldn’t measure them in terms of speed if there’s no time elapsed. Heck, it’s probably not even speed at that point.
and tbh, only omnipotent characters could ever run “faster than infinity” but it wouldn’t really matter then if they were omnipotent, as they could then stomp essentially any verse, so their speed would be irrelevant?
What the fuck? This is basically just saying “haha, inaccessible speed is faster than infinite speed”
This makes zero fucking sense. Infinite speed is infinite, and infinity is the largest possible.
But getting that aside, I can see the idiots behind that just want to say their favourite character is better than others, because how the fuck does “running laps around the earth before it rotates” equal faster than infinite speed? And, dodging an attack that already hit, isn’t called inaccessible speed, it’s called time travel.
Actual time travel backwards isn’t something that “moving faster than infinite speed” does, your character’s superpower isn’t being better than the unreadable best, it’s just time travel
My interpretation of it is that they’re basically saying that there are “dimensional planes” of speed; something with immeasurable speed is able to surpass infinite speed because it’s on a higher plane of speed than the infinite speed character, similar to how the volume of a 3D object would be greater than the area of a 2D side of that object, even if the area was “infinite” relative to the second dimension. Idk it’s a bunch of weird fictional cope stuff
dumbest shit i’ve read this month, so do they time travel to the past when teleporting???
infinite is infinite, as the previous post that was shown says, you can’t have multipliers on infinity because that would mean that it’s not infinite.
Infinite speed is teleportation, and you can’t surpass infinite speed because infinity is only possible if you go to your location instantly, and you can’t fucking go faster than literal teleportation, because then you’re not some weird “immeasurable sped”, you’re a time traveler.
idk you could just be omnipotent and run infinitely fast
did you read my past essay
teleportation is actual infinite speed
Omnipotence, “omni-“ meaning “all.”
Yeah you’re right, but an omnipotent being could also run infinitely fast since omnipotence is quite literally the state of being able to do anything/everything.
i didn’t deny teleportation was infinite speed so i dunno watchu’ on
if this word is spoken in a sentence no logic matters
Has anyone here except @WarmWater ever openned a fucking physics book ?!??
the funniest part is that I haven’t lol, and they were trying to rationalize the people who actually say that kind of shit
Even in parallel universeses this IS not possible, it’s just good sens, nothing can be greatest than Infinite it’s a concepts, if they have bigger numbers they will still have the same Infinite is us
M’y autocrrector fucking up rn
I still don’t understand the explanation that
“infinite speed means you can go anywhere in 0 time, inaccessible speed means you can go anywhere in negative time”
like that’s not a completely separate superpower called time travel
Also in the equation Speed = Distance/Time if Time = x, wtih x being negative, Speed will also be négative, so you are basically just going backwards