Should magic and curses disappear from Arcane?

on the actual topic though, not really.
magic is another tool for human beings to enact violence. if you want to remove violence, the only real way for someone to do it is to remove the violence from human nature entirely.

since this would require basically altering every living human being to a significant degree (to the point that it would be arguable whether or whether not they were the same people), depending on who you ask, you might be committing genocide, which kind of trivializes the task you set out to do.

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It’s sarcasm, with a point

.-.

the whole point of having a curse is that you’re almost unbeatable by others, and those who could usually won’t bother if it isn’t in their interest

again, an amazing sarcasm just flies past your head

it’s not

uhh, black death, similar circumstances, yet I don’t see anyone saying “thank god my husband died in the plague and not in the war, and would you look at that, it also took my son, what a lovely time to be alive”

fair point, but a normal curse with it’s user determined to cause havoc to the world could easily do so without destroying their own curse

bruh, basic physics, and geology, laws of physics still apply in WoM to a certain extent, ALL terraforming is bad

btw the “send a more powerful guy to do shit” won’t work, it morally, philosophically and circumstanstialy wrong

yeah, how we use those tools definitely depends on us, but again, whenever humanity finds out about something new, it usually is weaponized, almost immediately

One thing I feel like everyone is forgetting. Magic is evil.

Before there was an earth, there was the universe, where magic originally came from. The origin of magic is a malevolent and evil force known as Chaos, and varying amounts of it are spread all throughout the universe. This energy is somewhat sentient, can be manifested through evil thoughts, and is heavily attracted to pure evil beings. The power and reach of Chaos is ever expanding, much like dark matter in our own universe. Chaos cannot be directly controlled.

Think this kind of proves that magic no matter what will always be used to a certain extent for evil. While it might vary in different amounts throughout time there will always be people who exploit people if given the opportunity. Getting rid of magic will definitely stave off the possibility of ending the world by a couple more hundred years. Giving humanity enough time to evolve without hurdles meant to set them back instead of helping us adapt. So really magic SHOULDN’T exist. Something that causes world ending events isn’t worth any degree of “protection” it might give.

Also mate just ignore them. Checking their history they pretty much shit on people’s ideas for enjoyment. Don’t let a annoying bitch stop you from encouraging discussion. I think this was pretty good. Keep it up (Thumbs up)

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Me seeing the 71048780870139719775839948491009393819458105097’th forum argument today:

:sleeper:

Ikr? We’re all tired mate. I juswanted to share a cool idea I had and this guy just go’s and shits on everything and now I don’t even feel like finishing it anymore. :frcryin:

If you like what you’re doing, keep going my man.

thx man, really needed. I’m gonna try.

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this is actually quite a fair point, however~
what is considered “evil thought”, is it just malice or hatred?

one could deeply hate injustice/slavery/suffering/criminals, which could be viewed as a “hateful” thought yet still “benevolent” in nature

typically I’d assume that some cosmic-level-entity wouldn’t give a fuck about the actual underlying causes or notions and would only be attracted to “hatred” or “malice”, in which case even “benevolent” people could “benefit” from this

however we still don’t know how all the stuff with chaos, especially chaos manifesting through “evil” thoughts or whatever actually works

this is true yes, but no different from someone using a gun or the like.
most people aren’t wizards, and thus “benevolent” wizards could help rein in crime or the like

then humanity would grow weak in terms of this world
they’d be left even further defenseless against powerful foes or the like,
what if some ancient greek monster were to show up or whatever?

I mean sure nukes can destroy cities but nuclear power is also highly beneficial in terms of energy production
simply the possibility that something bad can occur with said spooky dookey magic powers doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be without merit

Idk man the definition of evil is pretty clear. You know, world domination. I think it’s quite clear. Besides if Greek Monsters DO show up well you just have something like the SCP foundation be born to contain those threats. And before you even say that’s ridiculous we are talking about a world where magic is a thing, burning red jello gives you power, ink and paper actually count as motherfucking magics, and a lot more. Plus you know.

THE WORLD WAS FUCKING BLOWN TO BITS AND THE WORLD ONLY DIDN’T END BECAUSE WE HAD ANOTHER DUDE TO FIX IT. Seems more like the risks don’t satisfy the reward.

no
it means i can’t create cats out of magic anymore :frcryin:

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Nuclear reactors are safely operated in an isolated area with little to no population, we don’t put nuclear reactors on planes and yank them around

Imagine a world where everyone has magic as a world where everyone has a gun, it’s messed up, even if there were “benevolent” wizards, politics with magic still ends in a fight for power using violence, the law wouldn’t be enforced as much, it existing is a miracle already

sure, but the ratio of good and bad in a medieval world is never balanced, there isn’t punishment in being “bad” in the first place anyway (not until a while after, at which point the evil wizards have already grown powerful)

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you can?

if you are very good at magic
probably

sure

since i can no longer create cats out of magic and pet them
that means removing magic is bad :frcryin:

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sure

not necessarily, you can’t actually quantify “evil”, only attribute actions to it
for instance,
you could obviously say that eating babies and painting with the blood of orphans is “evil”,
or that someone shooting a criminal to bring them down isn’t but fundamentally,
who judges that?

some cosmic super-deity won’t give a fuck about actual intentions or motives, hatred is hatred and malice is malice regardless of root cause or justification

and if something was out of their capability? what if, for discussions sake, godzilla showed up in a world still not-really-industrialized?

aurem is noted to have some form of special property in terms of gods, in which case it does make sense

ink and paper are being removed as even vetex said they didn’t really fit

and the perpetrators and source of the issue was destroyed, the curse used to cause said issue was claimed by a benevolent peacekeeper, and the world entered a golden age of sorts in the future
I don’t see the issue, powerful people came up to counter the big bad

notably this further reinforces my point that the bad people are just gonna have the shit beaten out of them

typically yes, but only because a bunch of uninformed people are spooked about them
nuclear incidents are incredibly rare

most people don’t have magic, wym the “law wouldn’t be enforced as much”
superhumans capable of crushing down criminal syndicates easily could wipe out most crime, especially given the inhabited world is on islands at this point

irrelevant to the point about chaos manifesting that I was talking about, morality doesn’t matter

Fuck it I give up it’s like talking to a Ben Shapiro on 10 gigawatts of weed.

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