Do we know of any growth magic then?
hopefully i can use growth magic on my body 
The plant meat
there probably is just look at mutation chart and even if there isnt growth is absolutely not an experimental curse its way too weak like lazarus and absorption are so so so so much stronger
I mean Freedrock was wayyy stronger then Durza (it’s likely Lazarus was was stronger then the absorption curse), and from what we can see Randal is very strong himself.
Plus, there’s nothing stating that ever external curse is automatically way more powerful then every other form of curse, and from what I can see there has been no official mention of a growth magic.
Also, growth seems vastly different from other curses, as Randal literally made a whole giant tree which he controls with his mind while his body is asleep. (Which is even reminiscent of Durza abandoning his human body)
what the f— are you talking about??? im talking about experimental curses EXPERIMENTAL NOT EXTERNAL. Randal is NOWEHRE NEAR Durza and is weakther than Theos. He’s not strong he’s not even as strong as an OSP commander.
Like I’m sorry for being rude but at the very least read my comment or do a simple google search before trying to argue such an idiotic idea.
You know what I did to get this image? I searched on google, Arcane Adventures Mutation Chart. Wood/Life magic is basically a lesser version of growth magic. If you wanna argue this at least do the very bare minimum. If you can see there’s been no official mention of a growth magic could you not search for the mutation chart?
Lastly, you clearly have ZERO idea of what an experimental curse is. You couldn’t even read the original comment and instead said external curse. Experimental curses have not been SAID to be stronger than other curses, but it’s literally obvious.
- Tech has called the Lazarus curse as the strongest curse ever (Debatable, but it’s a top tier)
- Absorption literally lets you absorb any curse or magic, it speaks for itself
How does growing vines remotely compare to that? Randal is not Hashirama he is not making a ten thousand palmed buddha. Growing a couple of trees is not different from other curses either?? Metal curse user made the arena in the 2nd Sea in AA? Bro just made a tree 
he’s not him.
Even moreso, experimental curses were only made by Hades. Growth magic is not something that would interest Hades at all. Freedrock was tortured and killed several times over through Hades’s experiments on the Lazarus Curse. Durza was controlled to test the limits of Dark Magic. The test was successful considering the formation of the Dark Sea. Randal has nothing to relate him to Hades.
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So? In 1854 when theos was near the end of his lifespan, durza still considered him enough of a threat that durza made sure to stay at least a sea away from him at all times. Theos is clearly above all ordinary curse users
Also, randal & ren have implied that randal could beat ren, and it’s also implied that ren might have the inferno curse, which is a grand fire curse
randal says ren is lucky that randal sensed that ren wanted to do good, immediately after saying that he kills people who go there who have malicious intent. If randal thinks it, then it’s probably a fact
And here ren implies that he’s afraid of fighting randal, and obviously not for political reasons. That’s notable because he never says that about anyone else. Ren seems to know randal pretty well, considering they’ve met many years ago before randal built the library, so he might reliably know that randal is stronger than him
For starters, experimental curses and external are fairly interchangeable to my knowledge as any external curse would likely not have been made by Prometheus.
Secondly, wood magic is not growth magic. You shoot out dead wood, not create living plants. Life however is similar to growth, you are right. However, unless for some reason they decided to name the life curse “growth” then I don’t see how they’d be the same. As far as I’m aware, there are no other situations like this (aside from maybe the tide curse, which is basically the substitute for a water curse)
And again, Randal literally controls the entire Myriad, as in his conscious is spread through the tree.
And as lookingfor said, Ren was clearly anxious around Randal and Ren is easily one of the most powerful characters we have met in AO so far.
Just because he didn’t blow up the earths surface doesn’t mean he isn’t powerful.
Where in the lore does it say that Durandal was owned by Freedrock before it was stolen by Durza?
I want proof that Vetex confirmed it, otherwise, as said it the official lore doc, its non-canon.
Warren would be understandably anxious when in the Myriad, afterall, if you cant destroy the entire library + the island its on within a split second, your dead.
External curses and Experimental curses are not interchangeable and are absolutely different from each other. The only two experimental curses we know of are the Lazarus curse (confirmed to be the first curse ever made by Vetex and theoretically the best curse if you get lucky enough) and the Absorption curse, which speaks for itself in terms of potential. If you compare these two curses with any other external curse (take the shockwave curse held by Valencia for example), it’s immediately clear that there’s a difference between them in terms of power. Vetex also calls the Absorption and Lazarus curses experimental curses here.
As for Prometheus not creating external curses, this is also not true as he created and then granted Arthur the Curse beard the Energy curse (which is an external curse). All gods are capable of making curses but no god besides Hades and Prometheus created them because they collectively thought humans shouldn’t possess curses.
maybe, but i dunno durza would have the least to gain from making devourers out of anyone in the AO universe, and we would see them in both seas rather than just the war seas
i can see this going both ways depending on where vetex wants to take it
I think the cuffs drain you energy more than your magic yourself, keeping you in a weakened state
This makes sense, it also explains there not being energy or shockwave magic
Thank you 
Just because a magic hasn’t been mentioned doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Most of the lost and ancient magics that used to be planned on the trello were first mentioned there, and nowhere else, and at least one of them was removed from that list solely for balancing reasons
Promethean flame
Mud 
i did tell you man
An interesting idea, but is it possible that Durza didn’t keep his entire army in one place? If his army consists of the living dead, then they could quite easily spread to the seas closest to the base of Durza. And is it possible that after the death of Durza, the remnants of the army that were not destroyed by the explosion could get into the Dark Sea from where they could get into the Seas of War, but I doubt that they could accidentally get there in 1 month. In addition, it is difficult to imagine whether Durza can control an infinitely huge army without exceptions? As for me, there could be exceptions where Durza would lose touch with some part of the corpses resurrected by him, in which case they could get into the Seas of War for several years, after which they could be discovered by the Order, and it should not be forgotten that the Order was inactive for several centuries, which means it could gain influence and conduct research. (Considering that we don’t know how many years Durza has been creating his army)
If it is inconvenient for someone to read the wall of text that I wrote, then I will describe everything in short: Part of Durza’s army could fall into the hands of the Order by accidentally reaching the Seas of War.
It would have been interesting to meet the remnants of Durza’s army as enemies in the Dark Sea update.
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