Vetex has stated in a previous thread on the forum that “in lore, magic trumps all,” and that the strongest pure strength and weapon users would only be able to make it into the top 25 in the world, but not into the top 10, unless they were to awaken magic and begin imbuing it onto their attacks.
Two things that I’m curious about though:
1. How strong are Spirit Energy and Oracles in comparison? In this post of his, Vetex never made any comments about whether or not Oracles could become as strong or stronger than people with Magic. As far as I’m concerned, no official comments have been made explicitly defining the strength of Spirit Energy compared to Magic in-lore. If there have been, please let me know about them!
^^ Someone in the comments posted a picture of Vetex stating that Spirit Weapons are not as strong as Magic, so only the 2nd question remains, which is something that nobody besides Vetex or someone else highly official could answer for sure.
How do these limitations apply to the Player? The Player obviously has something special in their blood in relation to the Gods, hinted about several times throughout the game. It’s my personal theory that the Player is the son a legacy of Zeus, but at the very least, we know that the power of the Gods courses through their veins to some capacity. What does this mean for us? For example, Vetex has stated that regardless of the Player’s build, they would live for at least 500 years due to the magic in their blood (see bottom of the post for proof). How special does this make us? I am aware that classes are not a thing in lore, and that the player in lore is a “Savant,” but SAY that they were to focus on either Strength or Weapons solely; would they be excepted from the normal limitations that prevent non-Magic users from becoming as strong as those who do have it? If the Player were to be a pure Strength or Weapon user, would they be able to become as strong as the strongest Mages due to the power in their blood?
^^ There goes my Demigod theory out the window! Thank you guys for reminding me about the Poseidon dialogue- I totally forgot what he said to us initially.
I’d be really interested in seeing what you guys have to say about this! I mainly made this because I’m interested in Vetex’s own answer, but I understand that the chances of him replying to a community post are quite low… at the very least, I would love to hear your guys’ theories on these two things. I hope you all net some enjoyment from my first post! : D
EDIT 5/3/25: Reworded the post because too many people are focusing on the class names. Made it more specific what I was asking.
(Vetex confirming that the Player will live for at least 500 years due to being a mage)
That would make them a Demigod, which they aren’t.
They’re blatantly stated to be a Legacy, which is a grandchild or further down the line.
first generation descendant (direct children) = Demigod
second generation descendant or lower (grandchildren and further) = Legacy
I believe that Spirit Energy is about equal to most mages, however usage of it is far less common than that of Magic. Alongside this, Curses are more powerful than either while still being made of magic. As such, technically magic is the stronger energy, though only through curses.
Perhaps a descendant, but not a son. The player certainly has less than half god blood.
They don’t, really. Class don’t exist in lore, so the player isn’t restricted to the using only weapons or fighting styles like those without magic are. The enhanced lifespan is from the magic in their blood. We know they have use bladed weapons (executions have the sound of a blade, probably the knife Morden gave us), and that they have the Eagle Patrimony. Yes, the player would be exempted, because there are no limitations for them. I believe Tech confirmed that the AO MC will end up more powerful than the fraudkeeper (Peacekeeper), so they’re pretty well set in the power department.
I know classes aren’t a thing in lore, but assuming the player would choose to focus on ONLY strength and/or weapons, do you think they would be able to become as strong as the strongest Magic users due to their natural ability?
Taken from the wiki, as I don’t have time to get to the dialogue sequence on a new file. Poseidon explicitly refers to the player character as a legacy.
As unreliable as Fandom is at times, it does have that part of the dialogue correct.
Nope. However, they have no reason to. If you have access to magic and spirit weapons, there’s no reason to focus on at least one of them. Natural ability alone isn’t enough if you don’t put in any effort towards progressing your most powerful aspects.
The MC likely does put focus into it, though. I’d be befuddled if they put no focus into their magic.
Thank you!! Been ages since I’ve played the story, so I forgot about this dialogue. I corrected that part of the post.
That’s a bummer that you think that… to be honest, Berserker has my interest right now, but going it would leave a bad taste in my mouth knowing that it wouldn’t be comparable to Mage/Warlock in lore. Regardless, whether or not it’s possible is still up to Vetex, so I haven’t lost hope… yet!
Ik Vetex mentioned spirit weapons (which is are blessed by gods), but what about directly manipulating spirit energy itself without the need for a spirit weapon?
Only the names we know aren’t canon (most of them atleast)
But technically speaking it would be utter nonsense to say that someone can’t specialize in something, think of it more as a literal meaning of fighting style. They are still probably refered to something in the lore (more specifically in things like armies) because it’s rather common sense that someone focusing on only magic would serve a different purpose in certain scenarios compared to like a berserker
Only the gods are capable of manipulating spirit energy without a catalyst (spirit weapon/armor) and they’d obviously be contenders for the top 10 in the verse if they were alive.
