AO Forumers trying to talk about ANY game on ANY platform other than AO and DW for more than a single thread in off-topic that only lasts a few dozen replies and doesnt get any activity for more than 1 or 2 days

[fish]

Then where did it come from? It lowkey could be faked, or just missing context

[criminal_scum]

@anon1881879

You shouldn’t assert your beliefs as facts unless you have objective evidence.

I’ll take the criticism, ty

@anon1881879

He only banned those 2 testers because they nitpicked combat

again, you’re only taking vetex’s statements for fact here. The two testers had found literal one shot combos along with a multitude of other arrows (such as a bug that made a specific move lag out the entire server), and vetex basically just ignored it for the most part. If you think I’m lying at this point, tough luck, I can’t get through to you guys

@anon1881879

it was because they wanted him to add fighting styles and the sort when it went against his wishes and simply wouldn’t be

that just isn’t true lmfao what the fuck
bro just thought up of something to make them look bad

@anon1881879

He clearly didn’t write this message for the sole purpose of slandering his testers

then why make it public in the first place?? Just take it to DMs like any mature person, the fact that he put it in general means he wanted people to feed his ego and agree with him blindly. Nobody would do this type of behavior

@anon1881879

and even opted to let them come back, but they acted like 5-year olds about being banned.

this isn’t true, I’ve asked them

@anon1881879

Plus, you don’t even care that much about AO,

This also isn’t true, I asked myself

@anon1881879

it’s fairly ironic you criticize Vetex of being unable to properly develop a game when you yourself don’t even entirely know how the game plays,

the video speaks for itself, the PVP does not look fun in the slightest, and considering PVP will be enabled basically everywhere then… jesus

@anon1881879

while you don’t need to know how to script or build a game,

you’ve already made this point, and I’ll reiterate my counter argument. I don’t need to know how to develop a game in Lua in order to criticize vetex, I’m just using my intuition and common knowledge to come up with the idea that, hey, maybe balancing basically EVERYTHING to the last month isn’t a very good idea.

@anon1881879

, that is a process of how the game’s constructed and you don’t know how that process functions.

no, look at any process for any developer, they don’t do this. They mainly get most of the major things out of the way, and then go into the niche stuff

@anon1881879

It doesn’t make your criticism invalid, but it can apply to you.

I don’t understand this sentence

[fish]

@criminal_scum

(such as a bug that made a specific move lag out the entire server), and vetex basically just ignored it for the most part

iirc, didnt he fix that on the trello?

[fish]

Also one of them said this after being banned:

Both people didn’t choose to deny the leaking accusation during the time of the incident when Vetex was there, someone who could have debunked it if they lied at the time

[fish]

They do bring up some interesting points though, so I wouldn’t be against the idea of them having given actual criticism.

I do need to reiterate the fact that Vetex wanted to work on the story at the time though. You’re kind of forgetting that one of the main core parts of PVP and builds is the awakenings, which cannot be actually worked on until the story is complete since thats when you actually get it.
Plus, Vetex balances stuff like super fast whenever he notices it, he legit nerfed and buffed a couple spells in a few minutes a couple days ago, so the time concern isn’t really that much of an issue. Even if he needs to balance stuff, he’ll have at least 10,000 people playing the game and giving feedback as well

[criminal_scum]

@fish

deny the leaking accusation during the time of the incident when Vetex was there

I don’t see what this image argues, in fact it argues against vetex as it literally states that everything vetex has leaked is everything in the game.
There is nothing to leak.

[logan]

the dicksucking is CRAZY!!!

[criminal_scum]

@fish

They do bring up some interesting points though, so I wouldn’t be against the idea of them having given actual criticism.

I’ve stated this already but they did give criticism for not only balancing purposes but also some other additions he could make in order to fix the PVP aspect of the game.

@fish

You’re kind of forgetting that one of the main core parts of PVP and builds is the awakenings, which cannot be actually worked on until the story is complete since thats when you actually get it.

That is irrelevant, that isn’t how you balance something. I’ll give you an analogy to better help understand what they did

Let’s say you find a corpse at some random murder scene, what the suggested vetex to do is basically dial 911 immediately and get the issue taken care of
however what vetex is basically doing is trying to find who murdered the man, and is going on a wild goose chase whilst the corpse continues to rot. That is what they’re complaining about.

@fish

Vetex balances stuff like super fast whenever he notices it, he legit nerfed and buffed a couple spells in a few minutes a couple days ago,

There’s a difference between a combo that can one shot versus a spell doing a tad bit too much damage, those balance changes seem random, but who knows, I can’t really confirm that.

@fish

Even if he needs to balance stuff, he’ll have at least 10,000 people playing the game and giving feedback as well

This hardly ever happened in AA or WOM, I doubt something will magically change

[logan]

also when you bring this up please don’t cherry pick the context because in the message being replied to (which you never fully showed) vet was the one who accused them of threatening to leak (which there isn’t any current proof for lmao), but this makes it look like the tester is just saying there’s nothing to leak out of nowhere. do better gang

[fish]

@criminal_scum

There’s a difference between a combo that can one shot versus a spell doing a tad bit too much damage, those balance changes seem random, but who knows, I can’t really confirm that.

True, we can’t really know that.
Although, I’d find it a bit weird if a tester pointed out a one shot combo and Vetex didn’t do anything about it

@logan

also when you bring this up please don’t cherry pick the context because in the message being replied to (which you never fully showed) vet was the one who accused them of threatening to leak (which there isn’t any current proof for lmao), but this makes it look like the tester is just saying there’s nothing to leak out of nowhere. do better gang

Oh no I didn’t Cherry-Pick the context, Criminal_Scum (person I sent the image to) already knows about the original message and the details about the accusation. You can see the message he’s replying to in the image too

[criminal_scum]

@fish

Although, I’d find it a bit weird if a tester pointed out a one shot combo and Vetex didn’t do anything about it

Yeah, it’s weird that he didn’t decide to immediately fix it, which is why I disagree with the actions he’s taking to make his game. If he decides to wait and fix all the one shot combos at the end of the month, then he’s bound to fail

[Noober]

@criminal_scum

Let’s say you find a corpse at some random murder scene, what the suggested vetex to do is basically dial 911 immediately and get the issue taken care of
however what vetex is basically doing is trying to find who murdered the man, and is going on a wild goose chase whilst the corpse continues to rot. That is what they’re complaining about

That’s… Quite an analogy :shockedskull: (please keep this convo civil if ur able to)

[fish]

@Noober

shockedskull

Im too scared to ask what this emoji is

[anon49231511]

nobody’s ever gonna agree so why not just stop the argument

[WarmWater]

do you REALLY think people would end an argument just because it’s the most logical thing to do?

[anon49231511]

no but they should

[GlitchingEclipse]

[fish]

@anon49231511

nobody’s ever gonna agree so why not just stop the argument

The argument already ended lmao

[fish]

What in the world is this analogy I just made, this devolved super quickly into a weird story

[criminal_scum]

@fish

assuming that the “calling the police” in this analogy is fighting styles". It’s less efficient, yeah, but the police still come either way, no matter how much he tries to delay

the calling the police part is not fighting styles, its just general balancing issues that, if left unattended, begin to rot and the murderer goes on to kill more and more people (which in this case means that the balancing issue becomes bigger and bigger)

@fish

The Analogy (Fish Vers.)

very interesting analogy

@fish

It was a pretty good presentation to say the least, and for the other students, one of his best works, but there are a few students who disagree with certain parts of the presentation.
“What, that shouldn’t be how Can Structure is! The shape and color are just fundamentally wrong!”

yeah the presentation will be fine at the beginning but the issues will become more and more prominent if left unnoticed, furthermore since the bean structure (PVP in general) is such a fundamental part of the presentation, it being flawed is a huge deal.
Although at the beginning the presentation is met with praise, eventually people will point out more and more flaws in it (similar to WOM and even AA)