AO Forumers trying to talk about ANY game on ANY platform other than AO and DW for more than a single thread in off-topic that only lasts a few dozen replies and doesnt get any activity for more than 1 or 2 days

[TheoreticalExistence]

this is still going on?

[criminal_scum]

no its over go back to your hobbit cave

[Vetex]

this analogy makes no sense, there was never any set deadline for the game to release, and

@fish

It was a pretty good presentation to say the least, and for the other students, one of his best works, but there are a few students who disagree with certain parts of the presentation.

its releasing as early access for a reason… obviously there will be parts of the game that are missing or not as indepth as others

@fish

He has given some tips and advice, but he feels like Vetex hasn’t been taking them into consideration.

this is hilariously wrong because I listen to pretty much any feedback testers give. If this is about me not listening to forumer feedback then yeah obviously, I know the vision for my game and you guys don’t so I’m not gonna listen to people who haven’t played

@fish

“We need to do everything else first. Its not like you can build a can without knowing their history and how to. Don’t worry, I’m the one working on it, I know what the end result should look like.”

again a very poor analogy, this is basically saying “vetex should have worked on awakenings and lost spells before the end of the story” which makes no sense development wise, obviously the more endgame things had to wait until near the end of development

@fish

but there’s still a fundamental flaw with the formula Vetex uses, which usually stops them from getting a 100% grade everytime

I don’t really see what this means, besides world of magic which was obviously rushed out due to money issues, all of my other similar games were the top of the platform for their time, and arcane adventures even has more gameplay features than most current games do

funny analogy overall but most parts don’t make sense

[anon52408498]

He is here

[Vetex]

@criminal_scum

(PVP in general) is such a fundamental part of the presentation, it being flawed is a huge deal.

except its not flawed, this combat style has been proven to work and it gets better with each game I make (besides wom obviously since the game was so unfinished)

if you don’t like a combat style thats personal preference, not a flaw in the game itself, especially when thousands of others disagree and like the combat

[criminal_scum]

@Vetex

this combat style has been proven to work and it gets better with each game I make (besides wom obviously since the game was so unfinished)

the combat style mimics that of blox fruits based on the handful of videos provided
however, yeah fine, the combat style works but that doesn’t mean its good. Shindo life and blox fruits pvp works, but does that make it good? not really, it’s still really flawed and a lot of people dislike the games for that reason. If you truly want to expand the game into something far superior to AA, then you also need to expand on its PVP

also rq, WOM pvp wasn’t entirely different from AA pvp, it still followed the same idea of T-jump into Q blast into horn (or in WOMs case, sunken sword/minotaur axe/the exiled sword), yet it failed. So either something got messed up in the transition to WOM, or the community has evolved and dislikes the AA style of PVP

[Vetex]

@criminal_scum

the combat style mimics that of blox fruits based on the handful of videos provided

this is a combat style ive used for a decade so if it mimics blox fruits thats not really relevant

@criminal_scum

it’s still really flawed and a lot of people dislike the games for that reason. If you truly want to expand the game into something far superior to AA, then you also need to expand on its PVP

you haven’t played the game so you wouldn’t know how good the pvp is just by watching some videos, and as for expanding on the pvp, I obviously have. People act like I literally ported my exact combat from previous games like no dude obviously things have changed and improved, and will continue to improve over time

@criminal_scum

also rq, WOM pvp wasn’t entirely different from AA pvp, it still followed the same idea of T-jump into Q blast into horn (or in WOMs case, sunken sword/minotaur axe/the exiled sword), yet it failed.

wow, its almost as if the game was nowhere near finished Who wouldve guessed a game with only 3 offensive spell types would have bad combat!!!

@criminal_scum

So either something got messed up in the transition to WOM, or the community has evolved and dislikes the AA style of PVP

I don’t think you read the post you were replying to, I’ve stated numerous times world of magic was rushed release due to money issues, and it was NOWHERE NEAR considered a finalized game. Hell, you can’t even DODGE attacks in that game. Partially its my fault for not labelling the game as “early access” or something, but don’t try to judge the game like it was in any kind of finalized or completed state when its insanely obvious it wasnt

@criminal_scum

the community has evolved and dislikes the AA style

I guess you weren’t around for AA then because even in its early and super basic stages the game still averaged like 5k players, which was great for that time. Don’t speak on the community’s likes and dislikes just because you personally don’t like something

Like I said in the discord a while ago, 90% of people will like this game’s combat if you give it a try and get used to it, hating on something for being different and seeing a handful of clips without playing the game, and then completely trashing on it without giving it a chance, is extremely close minded

[Mameo]

thats true

[thundereis]

i support

[anon70689050]

According to this thread, if the combat isn’t a direct copy of what’s already popular i.e parries/combos/hitstuns/M1’s, then it’s “bad”

I love the roblox community

[criminal_scum]

@Vetex

no dude obviously things have changed and improved, and will continue to improve over time

the addition of more and more weapons/fighting styles for more options in PVP isn’t really improving anything, it’s just adding on more junk to something.
You’re adding more and more without fixing the problem of the original

@Vetex

wow, its almost as if the game was nowhere near finished Who wouldve guessed a game with only 3 offensive spell types would have bad combat!!!

I believe this next thing directly contradicts your statement of “yeah im gonna improve it”
also again, I don’t care if there were only 3 offensive spell types, the lack of variety is bad, but that’s not the main issue, it’s the abhorrent style of PVP where no matter how much variety you add, it’ll still be the same. T-jump → Q blast → pick a weapon or spell of your choosing. Giving a guy a blue stick instead of a red stick doesn’t improve PVP.

@Vetex

this is a combat style ive used for a decade

doesn’t really sound like you’re willing to change it

@Vetex

Partially its my fault for not labelling the game as “early access” or something, but don’t try to judge the game like it was in any kind of finalized or completed state when its insanely obvious it wasnt

that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize it at all, who cares if it isn’t finished, even if you had titled the game as “early access”, I would’ve still criticized it the same, hell I would’ve probably criticized it more because criticism leads to a more polished game.

@Vetex

I guess you weren’t around for AA then because even in its early and super basic stages the game still averaged like 5k players, which was great for that time.

I was, and yeah it did, but for like 75% of the game’s lifespan, it averaged around 100 - 300.

@Vetex

90% of people will like this game’s combat if you give it a try and get used to it, hating on something for being different

it isn’t different though, it’s something I experienced in WOM for roughly a year, and in AA for almost five years. You’re keeping the same aspects into the game but adding more and more weapons hoping it’ll fix the issue that every fight is the same and boring as fuck. You refuse to look at the fact that every fight follows the same route.

@Vetex

is extremely close minded

ironic

[criminal_scum]

@anon70689050

According to this thread, if the combat isn’t a direct copy of either deepwoken’s or ABA’s with parries/combos/hitstuns/M1’s, then it’s “bad”

nobody said this btw
ty for automatically assuming I love deepwoken or ABA’s pvp

[anon70689050]

I mean if you did I wouldn’t be surprised, just sayin.

[Cosmos]

FINALLY, I joined at just the right time

[thundereis]

Get the popcorn ladies and gents

[Goopman]

we shall feast on popcorn together

[Vetex]

@criminal_scum

the addition of more and more weapons/fighting styles for more options in PVP isn’t really improving anything, it’s just adding on more junk to something.
You’re adding more and more without fixing the problem of the original

except it is, by adding more variety and skill types it adds more depth to the combat and things you can do during fights

@criminal_scum

I believe this next thing directly contradicts your statement of “yeah im gonna improve it”
also again, I don’t care if there were only 3 offensive spell types, the lack of variety is bad, but that’s not the main issue, it’s the abhorrent style of PVP where no matter how much variety you add, it’ll still be the same. T-jump → Q blast → pick a weapon or spell of your choosing. Giving a guy a blue stick instead of a red stick doesn’t improve PVP.

except T jump → Q blast isnt all the combat is anymore, with more variety in skills it adds much more variety in what you can do, such as grabs and other movement abilities. You’re confusing lack of content with a combat style being bad.

@criminal_scum

doesn’t really sound like you’re willing to change it

Yeah I’m not, because again, its been proven to work. Just because you don’t like it and are too close minded to give it a shot doesn’t mean everyone else on the platform agrees

@criminal_scum

that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize it at all, who cares if it isn’t finished, even if you had titled the game as “early access”, I would’ve still criticized it the same, hell I would’ve probably criticized it more because criticism leads to a more polished game.

Except it does mean exactly that. You’re citing world of magic as an example of why this combat style is bad, when the only reason it was bad in that game is because of lack of skill types and variety, leading to combat in that game being T jump → Q blast like you said

@criminal_scum

it isn’t different though, it’s something I experienced in WOM for roughly a year, and in AA for almost five years. You’re keeping the same aspects into the game but adding more and more weapons hoping it’ll fix the issue that every fight is the same and boring as fuck. You refuse to look at the fact that every fight follows the same route.

You’re too close minded to see the potential in this combat style so I wouldn’t expect you to understand. The reason why combat was so bad in previous games is because of lack of skill types, not because of the style itself. If the combat in this game was the same as WOM/AA you’d hear testers complaining about it non stop. The testers all agree the combat is fire and way better than Wom/AA, so if you don’t trust them and still want to hate on something you haven’t tried, then ok I guess

@criminal_scum

ironic

yeah so ironic that I won’t change my whole combat style because of a vocal minority of people who don’t want to give it a shot. You definitely know how to make a game better than someone whose been doing it for 12 years, I’m sure

[Saiju]

[Penguini]

[thundereis]

who is this mf thats typing dawg who let him cook