terraria is predatory because it has rare drops 
I feel like im misinterpreting the argument but if its one against games that have like… luck in it… then like still…
dw and a888 have quite of bit of luck involved with them. so do games like centaura and re:infected, if you want any grind to have variation in it then you need to have like… luck???
Frankly the worst argument in my opinion is the dodge reflex quest being predatory.
Like, what? How is an upgrade requiring an optional side quest predatory? I want an explanation for this in particular.
also how is having luck-based features… predatory…
like vetex doesnt benefit much from having people putting time into his game if they arent premium players. ig maybe it could cause it to maybe get put into reccommended or maybe theyll pay for a gamepass if they really want to but like… I’ve played games for extended periods of time without buying things from it
like I feel like im not interpreting the argument right because it just doesnt make sense to me, am I missing something?
Its bait
Upon consideration and review, I deem these posts to have been…
Bait.
The tells are as follows:
Unreasonable, indefensible claims about certain game aspects.
The subtle slight towards everyone in the thread by asking for people to “learn basic game design” before replying.
Due to these circumstances, it is advisable for all to halt engagement, and carefully think. If it so pleases you, carry on for your own amusement, but remember to not genuinely get snared by the bait.
fishing is predatory because im a predator to the fish
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Then why are daily quests called predatory explicitly because they are unnecessary time sinks which demand your prolonged presence daily .·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.
This is why I asked you guys to at least check out Sakurai’s channel about game design 
Asking for someone to elaborate on the statement they made is a rhetorical question? Well, I wouldn’t want to be predatory by wasting your time trying to come up with an explanation for calling everything in the game predatory.
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I have fun with most of the mechanics in AO, I don’t dislike essence because it is luck based, I dislike it because it was deliberately made to not be fun.
If I used the same definition of ‘predatory’ that you do, I would have quit this game before it even released.
I don’t think roblox has what you’re looking for in a game, it just doesn’t support it.
The difference is that you lose out on something if you don’t do your dailies danteh, while in AO, nothing is lost by doing something next week instead of tomorrow
i watched muh sakurai video… im a master in game design now…
seriously please learn what youre saying before actually saying it so you stop being the forum punching bag, you seem relatively chill in regular chat so could you please stop spouting complete and utter nonsense everywhere else
daily quests are more predatory because they require you to keep coming back again and again every day otherwise you break the streak of whatever reward you get, meanwhile everything you just listed… you can just do when you feel like it?
you arent on a time limit, you can take things at the pace you want. dont want to grind? literally just do anything else itll still be there. your progress doesnt vanish.
daily quests? you HAVE to do them in the time limit or else well, no more whatever you were working for! oh youre sick? too bad buddy. if daily quests arent tied to a streak then like, okay theyre fine ig you can just do them for a small lil reward thatll help you do shit or smth.
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Can we ban yrni0 from talking about game design i bet i could say sailing is predatory and he’d unironically agree
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he cooks good food most of the time but today was not the day
the chef was unfortunately on something rather than onto something…
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chance and time spending arent predatory unless the chances are so abysmally low for incredibly little reward (looking at you ar boss drop rates)