Been working on some PVE balance change suggestions to make the game more beginner friendly. Need Feeback

[Mortal]

@Crimsonpants

Argos
No Changes

Need more attacks or other buff.
Also cheesing room should be dealt with.

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

y e s

[Crimsonpants]

Edited

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

you know call this excessive but elius just shouldn’t be able to heal in his first phase

and in his second, his healing remains 150 but he can’t heal past 50% of his max HP

[EtherealR]

@Crimsonpants

Elius
Reduce Heal from 150 to 75 to make the fight less of a damage check on newer players.

Kinda surprising that lowering his 2nd phase particles wasn’t mentioned, because that’s more detrimental than healing imo (along with getting stuck on the ground due to the top layer existing)

[wmdrayal]

tbh the particles made it easier for me to fight him since its much easier to see where he was

tho it was back when the sever limit was 5, so maybe it also make the game laggy as hell

[Firer]

@Crimsonpants

General
Boss arenas no longer have destructible environments. (Seen this suggestion before but want to bring it up again). This would apply to Carina and Shura as well even though their arenas are in the wilderness.

Imma be honest imo the arenas being destructible is fine, I just want the terrain to not be in multiple layers in them lol, the amount of times I got stuck under a carpet that didn’t get destroyed but the terrain under it did is too many lol, but for the most part it’s fine.

@Crimsonpants

Shura
Teleport endlag increased by 1 second to introduce players to the dodge and hit tactics better more blatantly.

Nah he’s fine, doesn’t need any changes.

@Crimsonpants

Iris
No changes

Agreed.

@Crimsonpants

Elius
Reduce Heal from 150 to 75 to make the fight less of a damage check on newer players.

Feel like it should be 75 first phase and 150 the second mostly, Elius is already not that difficult in the first place.

@Crimsonpants

Argos
Reduce effectiveness of ‘Cheese Room’ in some way.

Yea, or put an invisible wall in it or something.

@Crimsonpants

Carina
Improve Grab Hitbox to be less janky

Agreed, she was way too easy.

@Crimsonpants

Calvus
Barrage Damage from 75 per hit to 50 (38 to 20 in phase 2)
Ai Tweak so he only casts his nuke whilst standing on the ground so fighting styles can find more opportunities for damage.
During Story Quest you are no longer stuck inside the castle until you beat Calvus. This in a way could softlock players who did not have the necessary skill/gear and prevents them from leaving if they find themselves ill prepared for Calvus.

Agreed, dunno about the making him stand on the ground because I feel like he’ll get melted by m1s lol, but it also depends on what level the player is so it should be fine for the most part.

@Crimsonpants

Cernyx
Attack effects fade faster for easier readability of the fight.

Agreed.

@Crimsonpants

Achievements System

So… The exploration tasks but a bit more of them? Not really needed, you can level up just fine with everything that’s in the game already.

@Crimsonpants

Cookbook

Would be difficult to do but it would be nice yea.

@Crimsonpants

Story Does not take you directly to Stepstones
Instead of going directly to the stepstones now, the player will be encouraged to stop off at Palo Town, gently nudging newer players towards new quests for a better flow and less of a deadstop.

Not needed, the players can decide by themselves if they want to go to the stepstones immediately or not.

@Crimsonpants

New Story Cont.
Have a story quest requesting players sink a pirate sailboat. This will naturally introduce new players to naval combat.

Not needed, the players will experience it by themselves for the most part, and we already have a couple of pirate ship quests anyways.

@Crimsonpants

Have the quest npc explain why sinking ships first is better.

Yea the tip is nice and all but an npc for it would be better.

@Crimsonpants

New Palo Town Quest
Cargo to Sailors Lodge, a small quest to give players some exp on their arrival. Available around level 50~ so when players get off of the sky islands.

Cargo to Shell Island
A Sailors Lodge quest that will take players to the last inhabited area aside from Ravenna. (This is so people under leveled for Fort Talos/Go to Ravenna know where they can go next)

Not needed.

@Crimsonpants

Small Misc EXP buffs

I agree with the Fishing a rare fish giving exp always, not the other stuff.

@Crimsonpants

Stepstones Teleporter/Fall Protection

The second option is better, the first one could also be a pain to put in the game and cause some issues that waste vetex’s time imo.

@Crimsonpants

Pirates, Assasins and Navy boats no longer target a player under level 60 unless attacked first

Agreed, but I feel like it should be under level 50.

@Crimsonpants

Gear Book
An in game source for players to easily find gear that gives good stats, as well as how to get it. Boss items and rare weapons will be kept shrouded here until a player beats the boss or reaches a certain level.

Would be a nice addition to the game.

@Crimsonpants

Increase Sailboats base speed
By having the first boat move less slowly it’ll make it less tedious for new players to explore.

Agreed.

@Crimsonpants

In Game collection of Hints and Tutorials
Having Hints and Tutorials only pop up once can punish the inattentive players. A small handbook of neatly organized tips, perhaps with some visual aids could do wonders for lost new players.

Agreed.

@Crimsonpants

More Options for Key Rebinds

Yea even tho I got used to the commands, we need those.
There was something I wanted to add but I forgot about it while responding to everything lmao

[dogs]

@Crimsonpants

Boss arenas no longer have destructible environments. (Seen this suggestion before but want to bring it up again). This would apply to Carina and Shura as well even though their arenas are in the wilderness.

i dont mind it because it stops you from spam t jumping and being unhittable but i wouldnt be mad if it was removed

@Crimsonpants

Teleport endlag increased by 1 second to introduce players to the dodge and hit tactics better more blatantly.

every time i fought shura i curb stomped him in 20 seconds so idk if this would change much ive never seen anyone have trouble with him tho

@Crimsonpants

Reduce Heal from 150 to 75 to make the fight less of a damage check on newer players.

sure but increase his health to compensate

@Crimsonpants

Reduce effectiveness of ‘Cheese Room’ in some way.

idk what cheese room is i just spammed crash and won no problem and i havent grinded for his items yet but i think any method of cheesing should be fixed yea

@Crimsonpants

Improve Grab Hitbox to be less janky

i never had issues with her grab but yeah any improvement is good

@Crimsonpants

Barrage Damage from 75 per hit to 50 (38 to 20 in phase 2)

dont care either way

@Crimsonpants

Ai Tweak so he only casts his nuke whilst standing on the ground so fighting styles can find more opportunities for damage

sure

@Crimsonpants

During Story Quest you are no longer stuck inside the castle until you beat Calvus. This in a way could softlock players who did not have the necessary skill/gear and prevents them from leaving if they find themselves ill prepared for Calvus.

go around the walls instead of running straight into the town

@Crimsonpants

Attack effects fade faster for easier readability of the fight.

yea u cant see during the entire fight

@Crimsonpants

Instead of going directly to the stepstones now, the player will be encouraged to stop off at Palo Town, gently nudging newer players towards new quests for a better flow and less of a deadstop.

you see palo town when going to the stepstones so if you arent stopping at every island you see youre kinda playing the game wrong but it wouldnt hurt i guess

@Crimsonpants

Have a story quest requesting players sink a pirate sailboat. This will naturally introduce new players to naval combat. Perhaps find a way to work in bronze chests, but most new players will likely try to board rather then engage in cannon fire fights. Have the quest npc explain why sinking ships first is better.

its explained as soon as you try to do it but more early game quests is a good thing either way so this wouldnt be bad

@Crimsonpants

Cargo to Sailors Lodge, a small quest to give players some exp on their arrival. Available around level 50~ so when players get off of the sky islands.

sure i guess

@Crimsonpants

A Sailors Lodge quest that will take players to the last inhabited area aside from Ravenna. (This is so people under leveled for Fort Talos/Go to Ravenna know where they can go next)

sure i think leading you towards shell is good since it has every shop as well as really good quests

@Crimsonpants

Fighting NPCs gives slightly more exp than it does currently

it was lowered deliberately to discourage fighting npcs so people dont ignore the games content then call it a bandit beater

@Crimsonpants

Full completion of an islands exploration tasks gives double exp

sure

@Crimsonpants

Fishing up a rare fish or above gives experience regardless of whether or not its a new catch

if youre a new player nearly every fish will be new for you anyway

@Crimsonpants

During the Cirrius Island story quests, if a player jumps off the cloud islands they will be teleported back to their spawn with a bit of damage.

no i dont wanna be forced to climb down the stepstones slowly to go to blackwater

@Crimsonpants

At the bottom of the Stepstones there will be an npc who will charge 50 galleons for a teleport to the top, only available after you scale the stepstones for the first time.

sure

@Crimsonpants

An in game source for players to easily find gear that gives good stats, as well as how to get it. Boss items and rare weapons will be kept shrouded here until a player beats the boss or reaches a certain level.

by the time youve gotten those items you already know how to get them, guiding players towards what gear they should use discourages experimentation with builds anyway

@Crimsonpants

By having the first boat move less slowly it’ll make it less tedious for new players to explore.

do it with all boats

@Crimsonpants

Having Hints and Tutorials only pop up once can punish the inattentive players. A small handbook of neatly organized tips, perhaps with some visual aids could do wonders for lost new players.

yea a way to go back and review the hints youve seen would be good considering everyone skips them then complains that the game doesnt explain enough

@Crimsonpants

More Options for Key Rebinds

this is just basic qol for everyone not just new players and i have no clue how the game released without it

[key]

You could just set graphics to 1. It’ll slightly lower the amount of particles in your view.

[Crimsonpants]

Alright making some changes, removing quest ideas, will remove shura change ideas, stepstones teleporter will be the only option, remove cargo quest (but not the one to shell island because it’s the only inhabited island that you aren’t naturally lead to you just kinda have to stumble upon it. I know people enjoy the explorative nature- but there are many players who like a bit of handholding or guiding)

[jaez]

@Crimsonpants

Cookbook
Like the Fishing Journal, this will be a compilation of the in game recipes one can make, and filling it out gives EXP equal to catching a new fish.

this was already planned to be added

[Crimsonpants]

Same thing I suggested I see, I’ll edit it to suggest filling it out gives exp in the same way the fishing journal does (and to suggest it be added sooner rather then later)

[Crimsonpants]

I assume that’s under the adjustments tab? I don’t look in there often.

[jaez]

yup—adjustments, low priority

[Crimsonpants]

Ahh yep. I know Low Priority things won’t be in soon so I barely even skim over that every now and then.

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

@Crimsonpants

Boss arenas no longer have destructible environments. (Seen this suggestion before but want to bring it up again). This would apply to Carina and Shura as well even though their arenas are in the wilderness.

please.

[Firer]

Fair enough

[spammy]

wanted criminal npcs not targeting you if your level is too far below them, thinking you’re not worth the effort. they will attack if you actually hit them, or get too close however

criminals can spawn at really problematic areas for new players such as limestone key and harvest isle, preventing them from just doing their quests without being slapped with an ultimate art explosion

[Crimsonpants]

That’s a great suggestion, I’ll add that in.

[Bluemin_Sword]

@Crimsonpants

New Story Cont Ship Hunting Explanation
Have a story quest requesting players sink a pirate sailboat. This will naturally introduce new players to naval combat. Perhaps find a way to work in bronze chests, but most new players will likely try to board rather then engage in cannon fire fights.

In my opinion, they should be integrated to the story, if Vetex want players to do it, at least in a narrative we were told to do it, but we don’t have to.

Assassins Creed Black Flag and Rogue showed us the naval combat very early from beginning, and considering there will be part where you must sink Ravenna sailboat, and chased with hundreds of Ravenna fleet, introducing it in the main story would at least give player idea why you must upgrade your ship and crew you hired better as you can.

not to mention players thinking, if I can do this, then I could do this too right?

@Crimsonpants

Boss arenas no longer have destructible environments. (Seen this suggestion before but want to bring it up again). This would apply to Carina and Shura as well even though their arenas are in the wilderness.

And yess… even if Vetex stubbornly refused, I do think at least he should change it so no boss get stuck and is out from arena, especially that moment when King Calvus randomly disappear, just for you get nuked to death since he is UNDER the arena.

and I hope Vetex don’t burst out and start banning everyone who have different opinion from him