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Morden was completely incapacitated by the end of it, even before he conked out he couldnāt walk and needed Iris to lug him around. The fight quite literally could not go on longer on Mordenās part. Because of that in a drawn out 1v1 it can only really either end in them knocking each other out or Julian winning.
Even then if Morden did manage to knock out Julian on his own it kinda begs the question, why didnāt Iris kill him? Cause we know for certain from chapter 6 that she doesnāt have a problem with killing.
If he had just retreated without Iris interfering that doesnāt make much sense to me either, cause again Morden was down for the count, if Julian is strong enough to fly away, then chances are he was strong enough to finish off the guy who couldnāt even walk.
Morden was unable to walk on his own after the fight, but stayed awake until we reached windrow. He would have presumably still been able to fight. Julian was still able to move around, but that may have been because Morden wasnāt targeting his legs or anything. Morden just wanted to keep him busy. Julian could have suffered much worse injuries to the rest of his body, whereas Morden only had a wounded leg.
The guy who canāt walk is not gonna be fighting very well if at all.
If Julian is capable of moving and getting away before Iris can come get him then he can probably finish off the guy who canāt even stand.
Itād also be incredibly convenient if heās somehow in worse condition than Morden but his legs are good enough for him to make a speedy getaway. Doesnāt make a lot of sense.
Again at best youāre arguing for a draw, because thereās just no way Morden couldāve won if the fight had gone on longer.
I would presume that Julian flew away rather than running. Since we donāt know how injured he was, he may have used the last of his energy to get out of there. Besides, being able to stand doesnāt stop you from being a threat, it just stops you from dodging (which isnāt all that helpful when you are fighting with attacks that are the same size as the corridor you are fighting in)
Being able to fly is better than just being able to run you know that right? Especially considering what lets him fly is the same thing that lets him fight.
Canāt aim or turn very well if your legs donāt work and Julian can just fly out the window and shoot him from there, if you think that Julian was strong enough to still fly than thereās pretty much no way Morden was able to survive without Iris interfering.
Also Julian hadnāt just immobilized him, he wounded him to the point that he was in pain and starting to lose consciousness. I would not at all be surprised if he died of his wounds had there been no one to help him.
I was under the impression that this drawn out 1v1 wouldnt be confined to the corridor and if Morden needs a specific setting to stand a chance at winning than heās definitely the worse of the two.
Best case scenario for Morden in drawn out 1v1 is still a draw
If you are badly hurt and you have enough energy to either get out of there or attack the guy who appears to only have an injury on his leg, you would choose to flee.
I doubt he went far, I presume he just launched himself far enough so that Morden couldnāt shoot him, and hid with the knowledge that he couldnāt be chased by someone with an injured leg.
The fight was likely still in the corridor, otherwise Morden wouldnāt have managed to make it back into the corridor with his injured leg.
Iām not saying Morden would have a huge advantage over Julian, he clearly was in a bad shape after the fight. However, Julian fled and didnāt even attempt to stop our escape, despite the fact that he is an arrogant guy who probably has a reputation to uphold (and he would likely avoid being called a coward unless his life was in danger). Meanwhile Morden immediately went to help us with the assumption that we were still fighting Calvus.
Does it say anywhere that Morden was only injured on his leg? Cause if thereās not there is no reason to make this assumption. Again his wounds were bad enough that within a few hours he was knocked out for 9 days. Even he somehow only appeared to be hurt on his leg, given that he canāt walk and needs to be assisted/carried by Iris, then its more than likely they appear to be in the same boat.
Youāre running a lot of assumptions that help Morden and hurt Julian which is hurting your argument a bit.
Again is it stated anywhere that it was nothing more than an injured leg? Cause like it seems like youāre just saying that to make Morden sound better. Iām sorry if Iām wrong and it is actually known that that was all Morden suffered, but it seems pretty clear to me that he suffered a lot worse considering his injuries not only rendered him immobile but also lead to him passing out for nine days.
This isnāt proof of anything. Morden had to be walked into that room by Iris and has shown zero ability to fight after we leave. Meanwhile Julian knows if he came back heād be coming back injured to fight at the very least a lost magic user.
Again to be clear here Iām just saying that Morden is incapable of winning a drawn out fight not that it couldnāt still be a draw. At the end of the day heās just gonna end passing out and itās only gonna happen sooner if he keeps fighting. And I donāt see any reason to assume heās in better shape than Julian if heās the one thats immobile and Julian isnāt.
Oh no he also specified that morden is getting clapped
You make a good point there. The main reasoning that I have for his leg being the only major injury is because thatās all anyone talks about when heās hurt. Thereās a lot of āyou canāt walkā or āhow is your leg?ā or āmy leg is doing a little betterā but no mention at all of any other injuries, and there arenāt any that are visible either.
I presume that this would probably be due to blood loss. Assume for a moment that he is only bleeding from his leg, glass seems to be very good at making people bleed, and he probably kept bleeding from his leg since it wasnāt bandaged until we reached windrow. That amount of blood loss is going to make you very tired.
(also presumably Iris couldnāt use flare magic to stop the bleeding until the glass was removed)
I really doubt he was walked into that room without his permission. Itās unlikely that Iris sees Morden sitting on the floor unable to walk and says āGet up, you are fighting Calvus nowā especially when doing that would have a higher risk of Calvus getting the death curse
Admittedly, Morden could have joined us because he trying hard to be a good friend, even if he was in no shape to fight.
Now this is something that I hadnāt entirely considered. As I mentioned previously, the amount of blood loss was likely what caused him to pass out, and a prolonged fight would have probably caused him to bleed a lot more.
I do still believe that Morden could have killed Julian, but you have provided some good evidence to suggest that Morden would have likely died not long afterwards if that had happened. If not dead, then he would probably be in a very bad shape for quite some time, rather than making a surprisingly quick recovery for the fight he was in. Even if Morden could have killed Julian, he would be best off if he didnāt.
This basically what Iām saying, it just doesnāt really indicate how well of he was to fight
Iām mostly just saying that in a fight with zero interference all Julian really has to do is the same thing he did in the actual fight and then just round a corner and wait for Morden to either pass out like he did in the actual story, or die of blood loss cause no one is around to help him out here and shelter him like there was in the actual story. If Julianās wounds are equally bad then it leads to them both being dead. Which is why Iām saying its either a draw or Julian wins.
I think weāll just agree to disagree, I think the story made it pretty clear that Morden could not have gone on any longer, plus Vetexās statement on the fight makes it sound like he couldnāt have killed Julian either, but weāre all free to interpret the unknown as we see fit.
Yeah
Although this debate did include some interesting points, there isnāt really much else we can say.
If weāre lucky itāll be elaborated on in Mordenās next journal
Oh good point. That should give a good explanation of how close the fight was.
Yeah, hopefully it doesnāt just skip to Nimbus
Considering that he mentioned visiting tucker several times, I would assume he wouldnāt leave out something as big as fighting a curse user.
Iām more worried about the people irl writing his journal forgetting it or deciding it should just be about Nimbus
Well there is also the possibility that we encounter Julian again, and that could give an insight into what happened as well.
Itād be cool if we got like a 2v1 boss fight with us and Morden vs him. Honestly wouldnāt be surprised if heās our first real boss fight against a curse user.
Yeah Iāve been wanting a 2v1 bossfight since first fighting Calvus. It would also be a good reason for vetex to actually code Mordenās abilities. We have had 2 instances of npcs helping us fight now, but neither for bossfights. In addition, having a curse user on our side means that we can fight our first curse user much earlier than we would normally be able to.