Yes this is partial rip off of @redcteron topic
It’s a twisted puppet puppets build
alot of point waste from going 40 shadow pre if you’re going 100 post… idk why… oh right shadow puppets uhhh…. 1 sec…
going 5 pre in stats even though going 1 would be way more point efficient, same for fortitude
I managed to get this - I dont think I missed any talents but youll deal like 2 dmg less with your m1s
and 2 dmg less with shadowcast
but hey you get 50 fort and ghost and possibly dazing finisher (or just all 55 charisma talents)
stats look kinda mid (all doesnt end in 5s and 0s) but ykw… atleast its viable right…?
you ALSO could use shrine of mastery to shrine down strength to 15, agility to 15, and willpower to 15 and MAYBE get 86 shadowcast for +0.1 dmg or you could invest the 5 points into smth and get a talent or two
Can’t use SoM on those stats
You cannot re-arrange stats if you have a Talent that requires a higher investment or equal investment of said stat.
For example: If you went 40 Strength to pick Showstopper and then either used the Shrine of Order to reduce your Strength or kept your Strength at 40, you wouldn’t be able to remove points off Strength as long as you have Showstopper.
This applies to the Attunement mastery Talents as well, such as Adept Flamecharmer; Shrine of Mastery will not allow you to go below the 1/20/30/50 Attunement investment milestones.
Talents that require attribute category investment instead of a specific attribute such as Mind, Body, Element, or Weapon as well as the Attributes Unbound Talents are ignored by Shrine of Mastery, allowing you to reinvest freely.
And I when 40 40 pre on shadowcast preshrine is because I wouldn’t be really using flamecharm post shrine that much.
Shadowcast has dark rift which can subsistute ghost.
And I didn’t go for dazing fisher/above 25 cha because it was a dawnwalker build
how is er… dawnwalker contradicting going high charisma…?
40 40 pre is still bad because you’re losing 20 points just to re-invest into shadowcast post
Because high cha would imply going visionshaper was a alternative oath for this build which it isn’t.
A decent bit of other twisted puppets build do this as well and 20 points isn’t to much of a lost
…???
you… do know that you arent forced to go high investment JUST for an oath?
theres a TON of useful talents…
oh well…
20 points is too much lost actually - you could get so much with those 20 points (i will not list examples because i cba)
btw you cant even get visionshaper on the build I gave to you because vs has 50 charisma req
build’s ass both in pve and pvp
agitating spark twisted puppets without emperor flame 
10 fortitude preshrine / 21 postshrine, no core +hp talent, no damage reduction + self burn + shade devour
A single eclipse kick would send you to layer 2
0 agility like oh my days atleast get speed demon
i did try to help em but you see
going anything above 25 charisma (low charisma is ass ive heard) makes a build “a visionshaper build”
or that re-investing 20 points is nothing
Never tell bro about vow of mastery builds
200 points investment for something crypt blade gets for free
25 charisma is the best investment you can make with that many points. +10% damage and -10% damage taken, the latter is nearly permanent with allure enchant
Don’t know anything about reinvesting but it’s a common occurrence when your build has talents with multiple requirements
Thoughts on this
Why run 20 flamecharm
Only ran flame for flame wisp, flame within, flaming scourge
Also for 100 heavy 
Combo for the build
Flaming scourge - > throw - > air counter/edenbrand heilcoil crit(can do crit after air counter)
why are you going 5 pre
thats a waste of points
theres no int talents for 40 int
atp youll be more efficient by just doing shrineless because you didnt grab anything valuable preshrine
So people without multifaceted can use it
Also for azure flames.
40 int is for some ether
people without multifaceted are permafreshies
sorry not sorry