How do magic and curses work, and how do they influence each other? Theories

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

holyy fuck a moley thats a lot of text

@anon1881879 get the fuck over here we need you

[Maple]

… but it’s just a theory
A GAAAAAME THEORY

[yesway]

It’s okay guys it’s just matpat

[CrimsonCreate]

basically man make magic to help do magic with magic inside and then magic

[Saiju]

aaa just finished reading and gathering thoughts and what not but everything seems solid

the multiverse i write is based off some concepts within the AU but they are explained in their own way so it’s sorta hard for me to make stances that actually mean smth and can happen in the AU vs my own

[Saiju]

something to note here

The science behind fire magic? (The thing make no sense)

Most of this stuff has already been explained in the past. Everyone, even magic-less people, have magic energy dormant in their body. This isn’t stored in an organ or anything, its just an invisible essence, and each person has a limit to how much they can hold, which also increases the more they use magic and the more they age. If you use all the magic energy in your body, you aren’t affected at all, you just can’t use magic until you recharge. People would naturally recharge energy by sleepin…

trying to look for more stuff since this has in the past been sort of brought up in loads of different topics and pieces but never really under one thread of the ways of world which is very convenient of u

edit: found some more interesting things gonna prob infinitely edit stuff but the first image in particular is a side thing to take note of

[A_guy]

I’m not reading all of that but it sounds smart so good job

[anon1881879]

@Eastides

personal magic energy and arcane magic are distinct at all. For the sake of clarity, however, I have assumed that personal magic energy is separate from arcane magic, as the graphic above displayed.

They actually probably aren’t, as magic is just your magic energy as a certain element

@Eastides

The mechanism or organ responsible for the drawing in of atmospheric mana is not directly stated, but, by simple process of elimination, it can only be one of three choices:

1. The mind
2. The soul

Prob the soul, as it was originally what was used to conjure magic, modern magic (magic with magic circles) likely just uses the soul but makes it easier with magic circles, your mind being responsible for conversion of that magic to a certain form/element (or something similar?)

@Eastides

Perhaps the difference between a human soul and the soul of any other organism is only in the control that humans are capable of exerting upon their own soul.

Not necessarily, animals can’t manipulate magic like humans but there is cases like poison-jaws proving that animals can possess magic (plus, poison-magic)

@Eastides

Assuming I am right and curses do carry this massive combat advantage, it would go even further to explaining why curses are so heavily valued, even with the existence of magic. Although one might assume that a fire curse user would be at a disadvantage with a water mage of the same level, the ability to effectively make the non-curse user work harder for less will eventually lead to victory for the fire curse user almost all the time. They would have to be challenged by a user significantly stronger than them to be defeated.

Nah, a fire magic user could still beat anyone with an element advantage if they have good skill/technique

As for the title question, magic and curses are connected in the sense that they’re both of magic energy. Magic created by mages is just shaped magic energy, curses being magical cubes that have magic energy but also have an actual element

[anon1881879]

@DubiousLittleTyp0

get the fuck over here we need you

@Divanochi’s better at this ngl

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

@yoruh ewww

[Eastides]

@anon1881879

They actually probably aren’t, as magic is just your magic energy as a certain element

Though, the use of the phrase “your magic energy” is questionable, given as magic energy is freely absorbed and emitted into the atmospheric mana. As far as I understand, there is no such thing as a constant magic energy that belongs to you - only your maximum mana retention capacity. The distinction between personal magic energy and arcane magic then is the distinction between the water that freely goes in and out of a sponge and the water that some fishes use to transfer nutrients across their body (a form of proto-blood, if you will). One is simply normal atmospheric mana in a different vessel, the other has changed quality. The way I see it, the only question here is in whether this process is automatic or not. If it is automatic, then the distinction is nonsensical (in animate beings, anyway).

@anon1881879

Prob the soul, as it was originally what was used to conjure magic, modern magic (magic with magic circles) likely just uses the soul but makes it easier with magic circles, your mind being responsible for conversion of that magic to a certain form/element (or something similar?)

I did eventually state that it was probably the soul, though for different reasons, I suppose. I wouldn’t say bringing up the fact that the soul was used to conjure magic in the Golden Era is a good example (though I might be wrong) because, to my understanding, they had minds then as well. I do agree with you, though.

@anon1881879

Not necessarily, animals can’t manipulate magic like humans but there is cases like poison-jaws proving that animals can possess magic (plus, poison-magic)

Huh, did not know that. I’ll point out the correction and edit it.
So I suppose instead of a human-nonhuman dichotomy, it might be more accurate to say some life forms have more “malleable” souls than others?

@anon1881879

Nah, a fire magic user could still beat anyone with an element advantage if they have good skill/technique

Well, the fire user in my illustration was actually a fire curse user, though. I was referring to curses.

By levels, I was not referring specifically to in-game levels but any factors directly physical or not that might have an effect on the outcome of the fight. To make it more clear, I’m assuming all things to be equal except the fact that the fire user has a curse.

In any case, I don’t really think that’s true. I know a lot of power system creators love to make their systems reward creativity and ingenuity, such that anyone can beat anyone else if they have sufficient skill or experience, but a general statement like that gets more ridiculous as the gap between the lowest level user and highest level user increases.

In something like Dragon Ball, for instance, the statement is flat-out wrong. Krillin can’t beat Goku regardless of how crafty he is. Goku simply has too many tools and ways to kill Krillin that Krillin can simply not overcome. He’d have to rely on factors outside of the magic system, like maybe Goku being somewhat stupid, but that’s not really having your power system reward creativity and ingenuity. It’s more so having chance and circumstance reward them, which is already assumed to be the default and is thus not that surprising.

Similarly, in AA, a level 25 wizard cannot defeat a level 250 wizard (In the lore, not in-game). At the very least, they cannot reliably do so. Their best option will always be to avoid combat or somehow manipulate the situation to their favour without using magic directly on their opponent, but skill and technique becomes completely useless once the power gap becomes sufficiently large.

[anon1881879]

@Eastides

Huh, did not know that. I’ll point out the correction and edit it.
So I suppose instead of a human-nonhuman dichotomy, it might be more accurate to say some life forms have more “malleable” souls than others?

Prob, but sea creatures in AO can also have their size altered by the magic pollution in the sea after Durza did the funny pew pew

So it’s probably just circumstances like with the PK and how they became magically supercharged after spending enough time in magic pollution

@Eastides

something like Dragon Ball, for instance, the statement is flat-out wrong. Krillin can’t beat Goku regardless of how crafty he is. Goku simply has too many tools and ways to kill Krillin that Krillin can simply not overcome. He’d have to rely on factors outside of the magic

Yeah, I guess you could make that statement especially for characters like Flash and Superman who are basically unbeatable, but if the mage with fire and mage with water were similar in power, it’d logically make sense for them to be able to beat the other

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

my brain hurtie

[Saiju]

@Eastides

The way I see it, the only question here is in whether this process is automatic or not. If it is automatic, then the distinction is nonsensical (in animate beings, anyway).

ye it’s automatic from how i seen it it does the same process of gathering, storing, and ignores converting since u got 3 minds and 2 areas that can use magic and would be really redundant when u want to go from wind to plasma but no plasma convertible magic energy and only wind.

could argue that the mind can just switch the already fully stored wind magic energy it turn it to plasma energy but that would make an awkward balancing thing like different fuel tanks of elements to move (rockets and what not)

[Eastides]

Huh. I had not even considered how my theory would be affected by having multiple minds. I’ll have to add a section on that.

[Saiju]

oh glad i could help with that then it does add influence on the system and is really neat

[Shellseawing]

me when seeing this.

But definitely looks smart.

[AMultiversalEntity]

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[AMultiversalEntity]

@Eastides

Since the mind is physically located in the brain (can’t remember the source for this information,

I think it says that in the lore doc.

[anon1881879]

@Eastides

The decision tree does not consider the possibility that a magic user could absorb atmospheric mana and then convert only a portion of the now available personal magic energy into arcane magic, though there is no reason to assume that this is impossible

magic bar = atmospheric mana

1 spell takes part of bar

big brain