the worst part is im 90% sure all these people arguing in defence of astral and xxael dont even know what happened, like people saying astral got ganked are wrong…
besides that ganking is common in overworld pvp ESPECIALLY in clan wars, just because your a dev doesn’t mean you should be immune to a central part of AO clan battling. no Xxael and astral shouldn’t be immune to being hunted.
Were saying you guys can’t become bonkers angry because of dying to a guy with a known custom magic after you attacked them even in a competitive setting (in a competitive setting)
it’s basically not?? what a dogshit generalization
summarizing arguments to remove all nuance
literally a textbook strawman
I’m so tired of going on forums just to see that this thread has 50 more replies, with none of the arguments on the dev side actually having any substance or just being an outright derail. Can you guys actually think of a solid argument for the custom magic abuse before I ask for this thread to be locked? No argumentative fallacies, please. Thank you.
Sir this is an internet forum
Im ragebait king (64arc_anacondapyramid is nothing compared to me)
holy shit can we ban this guy already? i have yet to hear a single coherent thought from him
Can’t even ragebait in peace 
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make ragebait believable again, people need to believe that it isn’t bait
you smell!
That’s why you become a Schrödingers douchebag
EMERGENCY DERAIL STOP INITIATED
i lowkey thought you were just stupid 
I did not realize you were ragebaiting… thank god tbh
preach brother
If they’re utilizing a custom, it should be on their own time, divorced from any and all competitive and clan-oriented tasks or activities. IF someone wants to rumble against their custom, that’s perfectly fine, but no one else has the luxury of a get-out-of-jail-free card once they get to that point.
Whether or not they’ve contributed is irrelevant- the custom magic should be clanless activity only, or at the very least their magicks shouldn’t be so overwhelming powerful that they simply stat check any and all aggressors immediately in the first place.
imagine getting hunted by a custom magic user lol. what a bozooo
the overall impact of two players using customs for their own benefit is probably small. the implications are very steep though. If you care about fair play in pvp or pve, then it shouldn’t be hard at all to see why few people are a fan of astral & xael using customs in their regular play through.
stupid take. just because the game is made on roblox doesnt mean that people cant want a fair, competitive environment.
So, ignoring the “hunting” aspect of this (because we’ll address it later), from losely following this drama, the narrative has shifted from:
We got jumped.
to
We got jumped because we were attacking Astral, who jumped us earlier
to
We attacked first because we didn’t know it was Astral, Astral believed he was being hunted, we reconvened at Shell Island, Astral thought that some PvEhead member of their clan with 8 pks was gonna be ganked by them, Astral went to Shell, they jumped Astral.
In other words it sounds like a serious misunderstandings portrayed as “we are the victims of a custom magic ganking.” No surprises here in the slightest and things are suddenly starting to line up with Astral’s PoV.
The only concern is that Astral went to go rescue a PvEr in his clan from being hunted, which I would actually argue is the least reasonable action because now it’s no longer self-defense. However, even though I would assert this is unjustified, due to the context I don’t think anyone cares (and if they did I wouldn’t be the first person to mention it).
Now the big thing they wanted to focus on was Xael hunting them. The reason I left this until later was because I think that they were trying to paint an unfavourable picture and that Xael hunting them was simply their “strongest reason” when really they are just mad they got killed by custom users. Conjecture? 100%. But the story has changed so many times and the picture was painted dishonestly to begin with.
If we want to talk about posters, then yeah it’s probably a bad idea to be grabbing people’s posters when you kill them with their custom. So we’ll look at this from a case-by-case basis and a principled basis.
Case-by-Case Basis: These guys were causing trouble. Xael grabbed their poster to send them to jail.
Principled Basis: We shouldn’t be making exceptions to certain rules because of context, because if so, how can we reasonably and systemically analyze these exceptions every time they happen? Furthermore, how many times should Xael be hunting people with customs before it’s considered “climbing the leaderboard?”
And if we’re gonna extend things further, having custom users running the #2 guild is a major conflict of interest. So it’s a little bit hard to defend that position.
I think there are very reasonable arguments to be made that people shouldn’t have customs on the same files that they are in a clan. Ones I would mostly agree with at least right now (haven’t 100% decided). But we can have this conversation without villainizing these people for mod abuse when really nothing major actually happened here.
Dude sent rat nsfw to a minor. Man-on-rat.
How noble of you to automatically take the brave and unpopular take of “moderators bad” based on what was at the time just a 17s clip. Surely you used critical thinking instead of automatically taking a side.
Again? Why are there so many pedos in the ao community
