Improve some of the boss fights, one way or another

[2how_nim]

well, duuuh they are so easy to beat when you cheese them, that is what everyone does, but… ig that isnt the point of the fights, kalliste ai breaks with the sea but his room is soo small that if he farts once his whole office explodes

[MinerXen]

Am I the only one out here who thinks iris should be given a stronger DoT instead of raw damage?

[JustAVoidOrb]

raw damage would also increase DoT damage.

[daniel29ioy]

Yes, with a bit of playtime Shura is a complete pushover, but when i was a completely new player his role was useful in actually learning a few basic mechanics since the only prior enemies dont teach anything at all (you can just stand still and m1). If iris is teaching players to dodge, then why increase shura speed and give him dash/tp attacks that encourage dodging given his high DOT? a random tp then grab attack sounds quite irritating, and would leave a bad taste from the first boss.

The changes to Iris are fine.

Giving one of the most notoriously difficult bosses a direct buff is a bad idea. “wrecking the throne room”, but many attacks already cover a huge proportion of the arena. His slow but large attacks encourage learning how to block/parry. having 2 distinct playstyles he can choose would make it too confusing to adapt unless its split between phase 1,2 only (which would make sense). I would change the pillar attack since every time its a no skill gamble if you want to continue attacking and get hit by a weaker beam while in endlag before being able to block, or he might decide to charge further while you prepare to block and by the time you attack again its 1000+ dmg.

any change to captain maria is good

[Randomperson]

This is actually pretty true, especially with captain maria, her aoe is just way to big on the 2nd phase, so every time I end up cheesing her, also I feel like calvus should use his little trident spear thing (I forgot the name) more

[Amuka]

I think Shura is fine as is, as it was also the first enemy that was actually capable of killing me as a new player, Iris should get a small buff however just to reduce the difficulty spike towards the next boss (Seriously, Iris is basically a +33% HP boost compared to Shura, and then Elius pulls a +300% health boost compared to Iris)

Calvus however is fine as is, his attacks are huge already, he doesn’t need extra speed, also pls don’t make him destroy more stuff- destroying certain objects like the chandelier just gives me lag spikes

Maria - Fuck Maria, she does not deserve complete invulnerability for 2 attacks, Especially the damn aura move, i understand why it would be for the tentacles since she becomes a sitting duck and would be free damage, but the aura move? That is just unfun, resetting her own health when i am staring at her face waiting for permission to hit her before my attack permissions get revoked again

[clowGenesis_CG]

@JustAVoidOrb

Pretty sure you underexaggerated the ratings. The suggestion is not hell to read - the information given, the reasoning behind the suggestion - it shouldnt be THAT low, especially in the Quality. But thats probably just me idk

When it comes to ratings I’m quite strict. I have the stars at 3 by default and will lower or raise it depending on the suggestion content. I rarely judge based on grammar anyways, I put 1 for quality because I didn’t think the suggestion is good. I put effort for 2 because you probably did put effort but were just asking the replies for ideas. Finally I put reasonability because I don’t see it making into the game, especially with other pressing matters.

So definitely not under exaggerated in my standards

@JustAVoidOrb

Earlier bosses becoming significantly harder will set up the spirit in players - they’ll understand that there will be similar strong foes that won’t be a training dummy to them. There will be no more situations where the new players beat Shura and Iris, and then the next bosses suddenly become overbuffed and simply overwhelm them - that is mostly the reason of quitting. Players were unprepared for the sudden increase in difficulty.

Is there a source about players quitting when they face a significant difficulty spike after getting accustomed to the game’s mechanics? At this point they would’ve done some side quests, got some armor items, and got slightly better. The spike at Elius isn’t as bad as you make it out to be and he definitely isn’t overbuffed. Most players quit when they ran out of content after finishing the bronze Sea Arc all the way back when. The only players who this would apply to are little kids.

@JustAVoidOrb

To add to the previous point, Shura and Iris are already far too easy to beat - one of them being far too slow and the damage being too insignificant (Shura), and the other one - rushing constantly without any dodging (Iris). If they made Iris far more threatening to the players - the rush would overwhelm them, teach them of blocking and more complex dodging, especially if they add new spells to Iris. Then I wouldn’t complain - but alas, I have to. Shura on the other hand takes 5 whole business days to use his attacks - and there is a reasoning behind my ideas for the “buffs” - It’s a Samurai. And Samurai won’t be toying around.

They’re meant to be easy, which is why they are. The thing about blocking and complex dodging is already being improved with Fartman’s partially accepted enemy ai suggestion. They would’ve already learned how to do it by fighting the improved enemy ai and various other enemies.

Other people mentioned similar criticism with not making Shura too hard so I suggest reading those as well.

Also him being a samurai shouldn’t interfere with the game’s difficulty learning curve. If you want to be even more realistic then you’d acknowledge that many samurai’s reputation that they portray in media aren’t as they are in history (A lot of them were assholes benefiting from the perks of having the samurai title). So an exception can be made for Shura. Not all of them are serious and honorable

@JustAVoidOrb

Continuing off Shura, i did not say he needed major buffs - the minor attack speed increase would already do good enough, and the special moves would further make the boss fight more enjoyable.

As I said before having more: speed, attacking immediately after using smoke screens, randomly teleporting before using grabs, having another dash slash, and then having dot on top of that.

I feel like your focusing on the flashiness/cool factor and not at all on what it’s like for a new player completely foreign to anything involving this game’s mechanics. I mean you even admit that getting hit once combined with his DOT will cook a level 10 player’s health.

@JustAVoidOrb

and as an answer to your pre-last words in the post, this suggestion wasn’t made to overbuff bosses. It was made to improve their fights, make them more enjoyable and feel more threatening - meaning they wouldn’t feel as empty NPCs with special attacks and actually feel like serious enemies!

Overbuffing them is basically what you did. I mean you even say you want to make them more threatening to feel like serious enemies. Shura is already somewhat threatening for fresh players going through for the first time for a tutorial boss, Iris can go either way, and Calvus is already threatening. If you want them to accomplish that then you should go with the Hard mode / newgame+ I mentioned before.

[JustAVoidOrb]

@clowGenesis_CG

but were just asking the replies for ideas.

That’s a common writing technique I use nowadays, when I am typing something like this suggestion and then let other people add other stuff for more excitement.

@clowGenesis_CG

The only players who this would apply to are little kids.

Well… Exactly!

@clowGenesis_CG

Hard mode / newgame+

Will it really get added though?

I can see where you’re coming from, but for now i’ll keep my opinion the same as I rather wanna have fun making the suggestions as they are not fully serious either way

@clowGenesis_CG

When it comes to ratings I’m quite strict. I have the stars at 3 by default and will lower or raise it depending on the suggestion content. I rarely judge based on grammar anyways, I put 1 for quality because I didn’t think the suggestion is good. I put effort for 2 because you probably did put effort but were just asking the replies for ideas. Finally I put reasonability because I don’t see it making into the game, especially with other pressing matters.

So definitely not under exaggerated in my standards

So like… You just ignore the additional 2 stars given???

[hanmbi]

@JustAVoidOrb

And of course, the major reason i even thought of this suggestion - Captain Maria is probably the worst boss fight due to how unfun it is - She literally FORCES you to cheese her, because if you don’t - you will mostly just suffer. The first phase of Captain Maria is mostly fine - the water tentacle attack has so much choices for dodging or blocking - from parrying, to T-jumping before the tentacles hit, since they don’t have that large vertical AoE. But other than that - she mostly sucks. The instant hitscan and unsightreadable attacks - it just makes it even worse. But then there is phase 2 - 5x times worse than 1st phase and just absolutely telling you “cheese me!” while fighting.

but the cheese is literally incredibly easy

[clowGenesis_CG]

@JustAVoidOrb

Will it really get added though?

I can see where you’re coming from, but for now i’ll keep my opinion the same as I rather wanna have fun making the suggestions as they are not fully serious either way

Probably not seeing as the game’s not finished. Although having a suggestion for it would be cool for some of these difficulty changes.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s at the back of Vetex’s mind.

@JustAVoidOrb

So like… You just ignore the additional 2 stars given???

Confused what this means.