To all of you who are some flavor of trans, do you believe that trans people would exist if gender norms didn’t exist?
Nah I’m not 
yah they’d exist, gender dysphoria isn’t really about norms too much, its mostly about your brain and body being mismatched
Basically what Actra said
Yeah absolutely, because the issue even without norms is that biological sex is biological sex, and a lot of people, me included, aren’t happy with theirs, and that wouldn’t change if gender Norms were removed
Pretty sure it would continue to exist
both Actra and Syk have their points to
If gender norms were not a thing, it might actually be easier for ppl to transition? No gender norms to really conform to, or pressure for someone to act different from what they want cause its the norm for that gender
it would still exist, and it might be easier to exist as well without all these norms
Can you send tme the pdf file of that study? I’d like to know more since the resources I’ve found that described it not once delved into the specifics, leading me to believe that they’re mistaking correlation with causation.
Actravaz isn’t at her pc, she asked me to send this
With sciences growing ability to edit babies, do you think they could ever spot a mismatch in the womb and fix that before it gets out of hand? Basically stopping gender dysphoria? Also do you think this would be a good thing?
I think this is a VAST misunderstanding of how dysphoria works…
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you’re supposed to be off to bed >:<
Does it not mean a separate sex brain from a separate sex body?
it’s really hard to explain and understand if you’re not trans I’m pretty sure
yeah but unborn babies don’t really have a sense of gender yet. not like you can ask them yourself either. besides, the point at which that would be possible is when it’s just a small clump of cells, so the logistics on that are a bit inconvenient.
I also don’t really think it’s ethical. you’re ““fixing”” someone without asking them about it.
why do this, when instead you could make society more accepting towards trans people and have resources much more easily available (like information or puberty blockers and such)
Nowhere near now, no. Science, especially genetics, is nowhere near that advanced. Its getting better very rapidly but it’ll still take a couple decades before that’s a posibility.
I don’t really get this point- the idea would be that we would know what genes cause gender dysphoria; since it is partially genetic (especially when it comes to hormonal issues and issues with either X or Y chromosomes.
That would largely depend on what you’re fixing- but wouldn’t deleting someone’s gender dysphoria essentially do the “fix” the situation? Thats more of an ethical and legality issue though
unless you just grow the embryo in a controlled environment, you can’t really edit the genes easily.
in the natural way people are made, you’d first have to look for the clump of cells, then extract those, change the genes, and implant them again, and you would have to do that relatively early on, because it would be a lot more difficult to change genes if there are a lot more cells.
yes, but you can’t really be sure that it actually works. it could be that people with certain genetics are more likely to develop dysphoria , but that wouldn’t always be true. and maybe changing those genetics can lead to a higher chance of getting some disease later on. maybe it messes something up somewhere else. this is just so difficult to discuss because genetics are complicated and we still don’t understand our mind that well either.
besides, you don’t need to have dysphoria to be trans.
Fair point, I’m assuming though by the time we managed to fully understand what every gene codes for for us to be able to actually know what genes code for gender dysphoria we’d probably have a way to get around this
That is the more important issue IMO
what does this even mean 