Opinion on this (Vetex statement)

[Walyn]

@Mithridatise

Not much to do about this, it’s a false-pillar and a red herring.

Not sure what you mean by this.

@Mithridatise

Despite the amount of things that one can explore, customisation is heavily discouraged despite the opposite (creation) being discouraged as well

On creation being the opposite of customization, I suppose you’re talking about customizing an existing character vs creating a new character? Either way, I don’t think that needing to put time or resources into leveling a new character or changing an existing character is a heavy discouragement. If someone wants to try something new, they can get a feel for it fairly early into the leveling process. I do think improvements could be made to facilitate trying new builds, such as a shared bank so you can store items before deleting a character, or move items between characters with ease.

@Mithridatise

3. Story-driven
   3.1 The story is branchless, linear, and not fun to interact with. Your choices only serve to change the following dialogue and don’t feel as if you’re a part of it

I don’t see the game as being primarily story-driven. It gives the player somewhere to go, nothing more. Also, a linear story does not make a game bad.

@Mithridatise

4. Immersive
   4.1 This one is akin to replayability, though the closest thing to it would be ‘player interactivity’,

I’m not sure how immersion is similar to replayability, unless you’re also calling it a red herring, whatever that means in this context. I also am not sure how immersion is close to “player interactivity”.

@Mithridatise

4.3 Dirt and tanning aren’t up to the player’s choices and are often detrimental due to how much they change the textures, and by extension, the beauty and appearance of the player character

I’m not sure how the player being affected by the environment goes against the idea of immersion.

@Mithridatise

What’s immersive about not being able to do what you want because you’re a good guy (for now)?

What’s immersive about clicking a button on a screen to select a character? Sometimes you can’t make everything completely immersive, and I’d rather not take a hit to my fame every time I end up closer to a private chest than a vendor. I also suppose it keeps a character that is nominally a hero honest - you can’t burn fame on looting every private chest and then go kill a few sirens to get your fame back up.

@Mithridatise

What’s immersive about being interrupted by the navy the moment you aren’t on a completely empty island?

You chose to be a villain, so you’ll get hunted by the navy. How is that not immersive?

@Mithridatise

5. Exploration and adventure
   5.1 You know how exploration feels in Arcane Odyssey, you know how adventure feels in Arcane Odyssey, you know how sailing feels in Arcane Odyssey, and you also know how boring it is after you’ve visited everything.

So, because there will inevitably be an end to the exploration, the exploration done along the way is bad? Not sure I understand what you’re getting at.

@Mithridatise

I only watched and read about ~30+ hours of excellent medias regarding this subject and sometimes I feel like that alone is enough to put me above so many others (specifically, devtubers, god do I despise these fools) despite it really ranging from common sense to philosophy, psychology, and general design methods. Please help me, I really can’t take having to explain so many simple things to so many different people anymore.

Oh my, I didn’t know I had the audacity to question the claim of “the game is not actually good” from someone so well-read; 30 hours of excellent medias! I apologize for making you explain"simple things" such as why the game is not good, I am a mere frog in a well compared to you who is above so many others. Perhaps one day I will become enlightened and understand why the game is not good. Did you mean for all of that to have such an arrogant, self-aggrandizing tone?

[Mithridatise]

1. 
2. Go back inside of my head please, you need it just as much as I do.

[juancruz1050]

I’m not sure if it’s p2w but it is pay to fast like you said, that is guaranteed, also the fs thing would be kinda lame cuz it’s hella cheap to switch + lvl up (just beat up fort talos)

[rotisserie]

Saying something like “AO isn’t actually a good game” is a bit of an overexaggeration, but I’ll assume you really meant it.

@Mithridatise

• 1.1 Not much to do about this, it’s a false-pillar and a red herring. Vetex is obsessed with it but doesn’t understand how it can be composed.

Fair enough. It’s definitely AO’s main problem and the biggest reason as to why it’s dying. (By popular gaming standards, at least)

@Mithridatise

2.2 Despite the amount of things that one can explore, customisation is heavily discouraged despite the opposite (creation) being discouraged as well

Customization is heavily discouraged? That isn’t necessarily true, as there’s absolutely a build out there for every player and playstyle- whether you want to run agility, attack speed, size, etc… In terms of viable armor, yes there is a lack of choice, but in the end you’re still customizing your build. Vanity also exists for people who want to couple their build with good looks.
Creation in Arcane Odyssey is not discouraged, atleast if you’re not actively trying to play the game in a different way from what Vetex intended. Some things that support this would be existence of free files(You start with three, so it’s not wrong to say that you’re meant to max out all of them with different builds), clans, and clanbuilding (Flawed, but the point still stands).

@Mithridatise

• 3.1 The story is branchless, linear, and not fun to interact with. Your choices only serve to change the following dialogue and don’t feel as if you’re a part of it

Fair enough.
Skipping “Immersion” as there is no argument to respond to.

@Mithridatise

5.1 I really don’t feel like continuing this anymore, not because I can’t find any arguments, but because I’m both too lazy and tired of people not being able to figure these simple things out.

This is redundant. What simple things? Simple things like the opinions that come out of your mind? Do you want us to read your mind so we can understand your point of view? If you don’t want to explain your point, then don’t make an argument in the first place.

@Mithridatise

• You know how exploration feels in Arcane Odyssey, you know how adventure feels in Arcane Odyssey, you know how sailing feels in Arcane Odyssey, and you also know how boring it is after you’ve visited everything.

So… Arcane Odyssey isn’t actually a good game because you, yrni0 our magnificent king who can do no wrong and speak no lies thinks it’s boring? Wow! What an amazing point, I’m so astounded that I can hardly formulate a response…
Give me a break, man.

@Mithridatise

1. I’m tired right now and I probably missed some pillars because I’m not in Vetex’s head, nor am I a god at game design. I only watched and read about ~30+ hours of excellent medias regarding this subject and sometimes I feel like that alone is enough to put me above so many others (specifically, devtubers, god do I despise these fools) despite it really ranging from common sense to philosophy, psychology, and general design methods. Please help me, I really can’t take having to explain so many simple things to so many different people anymore.

I’m being 120% serious when I say this, are you in danger? Is someone putting a dangerous weapon to your head and forcing you to interact with us stinky forumers? You’re acting like you’re being forced to do this. Can’t put down the cup? Can’t release your fingertips from your keyboard, warrior?

It’s as if you really just went out of your way to make this high and mighty, “I’m nothing like you people” magnum opus. Do you think you’re a genius for citing your sources and using big words like “red-herring” and “competitive online multiplayer”? Big monkey no understand big words. Hey, maybe that person you’re talking to online CAN’T see things from your point of view and needs to know what it is your yammering about so that they can respond! Maybe sometimes what seems simple to you isn’t so simple to others.

tl;dr YES king → NO king → king STOP!!!

Big bird out

[2how_nim]

conclusion: i got bored of ao pls vetex update it

[rotisserie]

aren’t you that mage who spams placed explosions and still wins 1v1s somehow

[2how_nim]

heyyy i dont spam placed explosion… not so often, i use cannon too and ash beam… and self explosion ash and… ye mmuhmm

hiiiiiii

[rotisserie]

how much attack speed do you run for your placed explosions to have the same endlag as your blasts

[2how_nim]

i dont use blast, i use cannon spell instead (for me its better) and i run 0 attack speed because i love power so much, 185 power 1.7k defense and 40 attack size

[rotisserie]

this game is cooked no drawback???

[2how_nim]

i love inflated stats without cursed stats (insanity, drawback, that things)

thanks to vetex for make fire arc 100% power

[juancruz1050]

i was going to say i would cook you but i remember who you are

[2how_nim]

really? amm… hii ig ^_^"

[juancruz1050]

yea you were in golden lily server, i saw a vid of you running that build, but yeah you play fire ash

[rotisserie]

That is exactly what I said before I got brutally murdered by nim. You come into the fight thinking it’ll be easy- “oh, this guy is just spamming placed explosions!” and then you take a 380 damage blast and now you’re 200 hp.

[2how_nim]

fire ash on top

[juancruz1050]

My magics are more based, acid poison (5% synergy one way), the only thing that i can point out is the dot

[2how_nim]

my max fire placed explosion damage without charging is 273, the same damage of my 150% cannon

[juancruz1050]

Relatable.

[2how_nim]

dot stacking is pretty good too, sadly balance team nerfed it a lot