Problems With Karate

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I dunno how to start this off so I’m just gonna say; I don’t think this should be put as “change request,” solely because Karate isn’t added yet, and for all we know, will never be added. It’s just been shown in the Trello, which has been mostly accurate so far, so I’m going to assume it will be added in a future Bronze update, or with the Nimbus Sea.

ADDITIONALLY, I guarantee there’ll be someone who gives this a rating based on solely the first couple sentences and goes “I ain’t reading allat!” To those of you who stick around… uh… thanks? You get a cookie!!!

I do, however, apologize for this absolute text wall. I just enjoy rambling and making essays on my own time. Is it a weird hobby? Yes. Do I care? Yes. It’s concerning.

So uh… yeah.

I just wanna express an issue I thought about with Karate, and some ways it can possibly be fixed.

The Issue

So uh… Basic Combat. The first Fighting Style we’re introduced to.

IT’S REAL GOOD. It has the highest natural Damage Affinity other than Iron Leg or Max Seawater Sailor Fist, along with a Size and Speed affinity of 1x.

This can be compared to Boxing or Heat Thermofist, with a Speed of 1.3x. Not too shabby.

As for Size, it’s only bested by Iron Leg (again, at 1.15x) and, surprise surprise, Seawater Sailor Fist (1.2x)

So Basic Combat is a jack-of-all-trades. Good damage, good size, good speed. It’s, well… basic. Not meant to be spectacular in any field. But still usable.

But here’s where our issue comes in; it has no special effects. Every other Fighting Style has something that makes it special. Sailor Fist grants Soaked which can be combined with Lightning/Ice. Thermofist grants Burning, which is an amazing DOT. Iron Leg has Bleed. I could go on.

Even Boxing has something special; constant knockback and a passive Block Affinity that works similar to Shields.

But Basic Combat has absolutely nothing. Nada. Nien. None. And that’s where it falls. It’s just too basic. Too in-the-middle. On it’s own, it’s good, but once again, it finds itself outclassed. If put on a tierlist, it would likely be dead center. Not the best, not the worst. Just centerpoint.

But… Karate?

Yes, this ramble on Basic Combat’s faults does relate to Karate.

According to the Trello… lemme pull a quote… Karate is “a fighting style similar to real life karate which makes enemies more susceptible to grabs, and causing grabs to do more damage.”

What I take this to mean is “Rushdown or other grabs have slightly bigger hitboxes and deal more damage.”

But here’s our issue; this just applies to grabs. Additionally, there’s no additional effects other than a cosmetic belt similar to Boxing’s gloves mentioned. No stun, no bleed, no DoT’s whatsoever. Not even something like Soaked that acts as a catalyst for more versatile effects.

Just… better grabs.

The Issue 2; Electric Boogaloo. And a Proposal.

So, how can we fix this? If Karate was added in it’s current state, it would be useless, falling behind other Fighting Styles, and if it’s lucky, maybe making it onto a Juggernaut’s second Fighting Style as… “filler.”

So, here’s my ideas for Karate, INCLUDING STATS!

Ahem.

Karate:
A fighting style learned to teach discipline and focus, causing grabs to be much more effective."

Damage Affinity: 0.825x
Speed Affinity: 1.15x
Size Affinity: 1x

Extra Effects:
Grabs: Have a naturally higher Size and Damage Affinity of around 10%

Status Effects: Dazed
“After being thrown around, your vision is warped and you feel nauseous.”

The effects cause your movement to be slowed by a bit, your damage to be slightly reduced, and the edges of your screen to be slightly warped.

This would happen whenever someone is hit by a Grab from Karate or a Karate imbued Weapon.

This references Karate’s versatility in usage. It can be used defensively or for counter attacks, hence the lowered speed and damage… but also, wouldn’t you feel nauseous after being hit by a Sledgehammer? Yeah, well so does your character.

As for the uh, “lore” reasons why this effect is applied… people with Karate are uh… better at tossing people around? So good it causes nausea? I dunno.

Imbuements: Weapons imbued with Karate will have the same boosts and effects applied to their grabs as well.

And yeah. That’s my proposition.

From what I could tell, Karate wasn’t going to have any special effects other than better grabs, and I felt that wasn’t enough.

If it needs buffed further… uh… give it a slight Blocking Affinity (about 2-5% instead of 10, as to not straight up outclass Boxing. This would, once again, reference Karate’s defensive usage.)

And yeah. That’s it. Karate better be good or I’ll boycott this game!!! I will I swear!!! Cross my heart hope to die stick a needle in my eye I will!!!

Thanks for reading.

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Your cookies taste like Prion Disease

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not even, Cannon Fist has been consistently the one often referred to as the worst Fighting Style, though as of now maybe Thermo takes that cake but that’s a debate I do not wanna get into

With the suggestion itself, yeah Karate rn isn’t too promising, but giving it dazed instead of boxing can be a decent way to give it some reason to use it, we just have to wait and see when Karate actually releases though

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Forgot about CFist. To be fair, I said “one of.”

I hope Karate turns out nicely and isn’t just tossed aside. It sounds fun to use, and grabs are some of my favorite moves, so Karate’s kinda my thing.

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I still disagree it was never bad

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I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone that uses fighting styles call basic bad

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Hm. Mediocre is probably a better term.

Just outclassed in most ways, but as a first, well… Basic Fighting Style, it isn’t awful.

I’ve seen people use it well, and use it properly. But those cases are pretty rare, so mediocre it is.

(On a tierlist it’d be like, dead center probably. Maybe B-)

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no one ever call it worst wth, the only 2 fs ive seen being called bad are boxing and cannonfist, and boxing is getting a buffed this update

i mean, is that not the point? its an all-around, doesnt excel in anything nor bad at anything, its basic

anyway i think the dazed effect should only cause warped vision, dmg reduction feels a bit much ( unless karate has sht dmg, which it doesnt from, according to ur proposal at least )

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Yeah, but like I said in another reply, it’s just outclassed in every way by other fighting styles.

Dead center, if a little better, in terms of all Fighting Styles. Speed, Damage, Size, other Fighting Styles have it beat.

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you’re talking about basic or karate?

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Also yall are missing the point of this suggestion D:

It’s about Karate more so than Basic.

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nuh uh, i aint tolerating basic slander in my presence

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Basic. I dunno about Karate yet since it’s not in the game.

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Yeah, fair enough.

But my main point’s still being missed.

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I do respect the defense for Basic however

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Here, I’ll edit it so people will stop talking about Basic and bring the focus back to Karate

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Bigger question: What drip will go well with the belt?

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basic has stat of x1, so decent in literally everything

edit: oh damn the dmg got nerfed, L balance team

but still, it has:

  1. more dmg and size than boxing ( boxing is supposed to be the fastest so it makes sense basic is slower )
  2. more dmg than cannon fist, while having equal size and speed
  3. lower dmg and size than iron leg but more speed, iron leg is basically the metal/heavy magic of fs so its make sense too
  4. has higher stats than <80% sailor, only losing when it reach >80%, not that hard to keep but people often dont recharge til they’re at 50 or so
  5. bigger size than thermo, losing at dmg and speed cause the whole point of thermo is aggressive playstyle

the only one that be said to be objectively better than basic is probably sailor and maybe iron leg tbh

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Yeah, I mentioned it’s stats in the post (before the edits.)

But yeah, it’s, (how many times are we gonna say this) basic. It’s not spectacular by any viewpoint, but it’s definitely not the worst. Dead center, if not slightly better.

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Depending on what the belt looks like, probably Carina’s gear. Maybe even the Warlock outfit.

Or, better option; we get clothing specifically made for karate.

Kai Guy cosplay in Arcane Odyssey starts NOW!

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