Reasons why Deepwoken release date might be coming with the info dump

[anon75060730]

@TheoreticalExistence

Wouldn’t it be more diverse to either:
1: Let people pick their race at the start of each life.
2: Not have a stupid race system in the first place.

I don’t think choice is required for something to be considered “diverse”. Perhaps you have the terms switched up? Depending on the circumstances, I would even say that forcing players to accept a random race helps diversity, since people can’t choose races based on meta or a general consensus on what is “cool” among the playerbase.

I also don’t see how not having a race system would make it “more diverse”. You can’t make a statement like that without extra details. I’m sure there are ways to have your game be more diverse than a game with a race system without one, but that doesn’t mean not having a race system makes games “more diverse”.

@TheoreticalExistence

I never actually bothered to play rogue but from what I’ve heard,

That explains a lot about your opinions on RL from what I’ve seen here, actually.
You’re this passionate about your distaste for a game that you never even experienced?

@TheoreticalExistence

Will deepwoken have a free-to-play tutorial/demo game so that I don’t have to watch unreliable youtube videos to see if I might actually enjoy the game or not?

Likely not, though I was not under the impression that this was a necessary addition.
I can’t think of many products that I purchase in my life where I demand a free sample before buying it. It’s my responsibility to spend responsibly. If the seller decides to give me a free sample, then all good, but it’s in no way necessary.

@TheoreticalExistence

If somebody buys access and immediately hates the game, that’s 5 dollars I don’t think the devs deserve, when alot of people are stuck doing that, it adds up fast.
Shitty business practices are shitty business practices.

Your beliefs on what is deserved or not notwithstanding, it’s still a transaction.
You seem to treat the buyers like 5 year old idiots that have no idea how to handle money responsibly. If you buy some shit without doing any research whatsoever as to whether you’ll like it or not, that’s on you. If you buy it but your judgement from your research happens to be wrong, then that’s a learning experience for you.

The producer only deserves to come under fire if you can prove that the product was wrongly or misleadingly advertised. In that case, then they are actively deceiving people into buying their things. That is a different matter altogether from what you are talking about.

@TheoreticalExistence

For a niche game like deepwoken, that money from people who don’t even like the game will add up fast .

All this under the supposition that your unfounded assertions on how the game will be like are even slightly true. A supposition, mind you, that comes not from a direct experience with their previous game but from what others told you.

[anon75060730]

@Inferno

if i see one more fucking debate about how they need to remove permadeath ima throw up, it’s part of the game and structured around it. you’ll just have a short ass game and no satisfaction for anything.

Istg, it’s like every time someone mentions RL or Deepwoken someone comes out just to bitch and cry about permadeath because they supposedly got wiped that one time by a gaiadweller and flew into such a violent rage that they smashed their keyboard into fine dust, imprinting the memory of this traumatic event so deeply within their brains that the word “permadeath” immediately sends them into a PTSD induced seizure that triggers all the deeply repressed memories of their files getting gripped, pushed off ledges or ganked, leaving them unable to have any positive or neutral mental reaction to the word.

This is like getting constantly demolished at chess and then consequently assuming that all strategy board games with tiles are bullshit, unnecessarily convoluted, and elitist by their very nature.

[Forty-Eight]

I would rather play ShallowSleep instead

[Inferno]

If only ROBLOX took advantage of paid access games and allowed people to refund if they only played within a certain amount of time like steam.

Can’t blame the DW devs on this.

[TheoreticalExistence]

@anon75060730

I also don’t see how not having a race system would make it “more diverse”. You can’t make a statement like that without extra details. I’m sure there are ways to have your game be more diverse than a game with a race system without one, but that doesn’t mean not having a race system makes games “more diverse”.

The entire concept of a race system where you don’t get to choose what you are is absolutely idiotic to me. Don’t even try to compare it to real life because the game’s races aren’t even races, they’re species.
What if I don’t want to be a bowman, or I don’t want to be a brute, or I don’t want to be a mage?
Even if races don’t matter much, the difference between a mage with a race that reduces magic damage is going to be very noticeable from a race that boosts magic damage.

If some race and class choice is being ignored, then its probably because the game is unbalanced and that’s an entirely different problem that cannot be solved with RNG.

Basically: If the game is actually balanced, then the player choices will be diverse.

@anon75060730

That explains a lot about your opinions on RL from what I’ve seen here, actually.
You’re this passionate about your distaste for a game that you never even experienced?

Every single time I’ve had the game explained to me, by somebody passionate about it or otherwise, it always start off so miserably and sounds so horribly unfun that I’d feel like an idiot if I ever bothered buying access.
Plus its also very clearly unbalanced as hell, I ain’t paying for a multiplayer pvp game where death matters in a horribly unbalanced setting. One comboing? No thanks.

@anon75060730

All this under the supposition that your unfounded assertions on how the game will be like are even slightly true. A supposition, mind you, that comes not from a direct experience with their previous game but from what others told you.

Its a niche game.
That’s literally what niche games do by their very nature.

They usually have a large amount of people buy into them thinking that they’ll enjoy the game, play it for all of 5 minutes, and realize its not a game for them and leave + refund the game.
As Inferno said, there’s no refunds here on roblox for god-knows-what reason, which means that the devs are actually racking up money off of people doing this.

I can hardly imagine just how many times that’s happened in RL alone, probably one or two million times by now. Give or take a few hundred thousand.

@anon75060730

You seem to treat the buyers like 5 year old idiots that have no idea how to handle money responsibly.

When given absolutely no information of the game other than the description, which most likely isn’t going to tell you about any negatives, great graphics, and popularity…
Yea that’s about right… also I think you’re forgetting that this is roblox.

Once again: In other places, you can actually refund the games you buy, that’s why this is not an issue in steam or most other places.

[anon75060730]

@TheoreticalExistence

The entire concept of a race system where you don’t get to choose what you are is absolutely idiotic to me. Don’t even try to compare it to real life because the game’s races aren’t even races, they’re species.
What if I don’t want to be a bowman, or I don’t want to be a brute, or I don’t want to be a mage?
Even if races don’t matter much, the difference between a mage with a race that reduces magic damage is going to be very noticeable from a race that boosts magic damage.

If some race and class choice is being ignored, then its probably because the game is unbalanced and that’s an entirely different problem that cannot be solved with RNG.

Basically: If the game is actually balanced, then the player choices will be diverse.

Firstly, this doesn’t in any way address your claim that not having race would make it more diverse because the existence of race in and of itself is a means for diversity. This is literally basic logic.

If there are three classes and two races, there are already six combinations available where there would originally be three. Sure, a race favoring a specific playstyle means that people will choose that playstyle more often, but the rate at which that happens depends both on how well balanced the races are and how important optimization is in the game in the first place.

Secondly, your last line works for both of us. If the game is actually balanced, the player choice will be diverse, race notwithstanding. If a race is unplayable without a specific class, or absolutely fucking broken with one, then some balancing is necessary.

@TheoreticalExistence

Every single time I’ve had the game explained to me, by somebody passionate about it or otherwise, it always start off so miserably and sounds so horribly unfun that I’d feel like an idiot if I ever bothered buying access.
Plus its also very clearly unbalanced as hell, I ain’t paying for a multiplayer pvp game where death matters in a horribly unbalanced setting. One comboing? No thanks.

That’s perfectly fine, that seems to be the general consensus concerning the game anyway. It still has a consistent playerbase though, so it has to have something going for it somewhere there.
Regardless of how many reviews of the game you’ve read, watched or seen, your opinion is still a bit skewed if you’ve never experienced it yourself though.

@TheoreticalExistence

Its a niche game.
That’s literally what niche games do by their very nature.

Deepwoken isn’t out yet and you’re already saying that it will be a niche game?
Regardless, this still doesn’t necessitate anyone making a free tutorial or testing game. Any developer that chooses to do so is doing so out of their own conscience, but it’s definitely not required.

As it stands, it’s not incredibly hard to get information on Rogue, and I imagine DW will become as such in a few weeks after release.
The wise buyer would wait for such reviews before buying the game, if money is a concern to them. It’s a game after all, it’s not like you need to play it now. Waiting is still an option.

Just for clarification, I’m not against them actually bringing out a free test run for others to experiment with. I just don’t think it’s something they need to do. If they wish to take the time out of their day to do such a thing, then that’s amazing.

[TheoreticalExistence]

@anon75060730

Firstly, this doesn’t in any way address your claim that not having race would make it more diverse

That was a stupid claim, most of my argument is based on my second claim.

@anon75060730

Deepwoken isn’t out yet and you’re already saying that it will be a niche game?

Competitive multiplayer roguelike is a niche genre.
The game is in the same pool as RL, one of the most niche games on roblox right now.
If deepwoken isn’t a niche game, then they’ve gone so far off of their original view that they don’t even know what they’re making anymore.

@anon75060730

Just for clarification, I’m not against them actually bringing out a free test run for others to experiment with. I just don’t think it’s something they need to do.

I would completely agree… if there were refunds.

[Level]

Stfu, you played WoM (A lego game). Stop acting like you got high standards.

[Alv]

can this topic get closed before the fight becomes any worse

not really surprised to see arguing and fighting when deepsleepen is involved

[anon44124357]

What’s with you and being unnecessarily aggressive?

[anon44124357]

Yes close it please, I want them to stop arguing in my topic.

[TheoreticalExistence]

this is hardly even a fight and its far from toxic.
literally just a debate on deepwoken.

level just showed up and tried to start crap because that’s what they do.

[Level]

I wasn’t the one crying over wanting a pre-purchase tutorial for a $5 dollar game

amogus tutorial when?

[Kandy]

didn’t vetex refund robox for some failed gamepass purchases in AA?

[Inferno]

Yeah and he had to go through his entire way just to do it. They were FAILED gamepasses and not just because they bought the game and didn’t like it.

[Eternal_Truth]

nah this is just the average AO player, 80% of people here are permafreshies

[Kandy]

I see deepwoken already has a huge fanbase refunding it would be impossible especially for the devs to refund just cause someone didn’t like it since they got to do it manually.

[anon44124357]

@anon44124357

it’ll be FAR harder than Hollow Knight.

Since typing this, I have encountered NKG. I would like to retract this statement.

[Forty-Eight]

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[Faust]

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