The main gist of this thread is primarily to talk about the information, general knowledge, and power scaling of both morock and torren. The two strongest grand fire curse users to ever live.
How strong is morock? How strong is torren?
How far do they scale, what is the extent of their potential.
And most importantly…
Who would beat the other?
This thread has a couple rules in it.
Disregard ANY actual canon and focus primarily on whether or not the information WAS official at one point.
Bias is banned “oouuhhh edgy black fire” “ohhhhhh boring basic white fire” I care not for your hatred towards the magic. This thread is specifically for scaling purposes only. that means no dark flame/prometheus fire driding awesomeaos
my guess is, as a guy who doesent know both too well
if darkflame grows in strength over time, and we assume torren is weaker than morock at the start of the battle
unless torren has a genuine way to overpower morock until his fires genuinely start to overpower morocks, torren seemingly instantly loses just cuz of the genuine power of the promethean flame curse
however if torren can stall long enough (probably by using the ego of morrock to his advantage), he will completely start flooring morrock even when his power is at the same level as morrock since at that point he’ll only get stronger and stronger
end of story: if morrock goes for the kill instantly, he wins
if torren can stall by using morrocks ego, or somehow overpower morrocks flames until his begin to rival morrocks, torren wins by a landslide
Torren can argued to be not even technically human. So torren has overall strength over morock.
However.
Morock, has a MUCH stronger curse than torrens (literally the apex predator of all gfcs)
Which puts this debate into an interesting discussion.
Because torren is definitely strong enough to rip morock apart, but we don’t know how strong Morocks curse is to make that strength not matter.
So that leads us back to square 1 with more information.
Torren > Morock no curse Morock >= Torren with curse.
Let’s also take a moment to realize earth has an absolute 0% chance of living if these two fight so let’s not try and bring any situational events into this, Both are gonna be at eachothers throats.
So it basically devolves into “is torrens curse strong enough to overpower Morocks curse?”
Torren isnt human…?
I didn’t know that?
Honestly, I’m just guessing off descriptions of the character, and the functions of the curses I understand.
Well if start-of-battle Torren (Torren with curse) is stronger than Morock, and want to kill him instantly…
Then Torren just… does…
He grows stronger in the battle too so…
Yeah, Torren just wins then?
This is the sensical ending from descriptions about the curses I know, I don’t know the characters well enough, all I know is that morrock was probably egotistical due to his power, who wouldnt be?:
end of story: if morrock goes for the kill instantly, he wins
if torren can stall by using morrocks ego, or somehow overpower morrocks flames until his begin to rival morrocks, torren wins by a landslide
This is the ending if the decription of “Torren isn’t human” is true, if he isn’t human, and just IS stronger than morrock, morrock just loses since Morock cant overpower torren since torrens power just grows…:
Well if start-of-battle Torren (Torren with curse) is stronger than Morock, and want to kill him instantly…
Then Torren just… does…
He grows stronger in the battle too so…
Yeah, Torren just wins then?
Well, Torren is stronger because he is not exploding in water unlike Morock. I think at such power levels it is not that hard to throw someone in the water.
Torren was said to be a Theos lvl progidy without curse. Lvl 800k+ gameplay wise and able to loopkill freedrock forever sooooo … It also took the 3rd, 5th and 6th unknown to seal him. And anyways, he was clearly stated to be the 7th unknown (morock isnt even one) + unknowns 1-6 arent human
Going off the inconsistent and retconned 11 Unknown Scale, I’d say Torren would’ve easily wiped Morock with effort, though I believed Morock would’ve been an Unknown if he survived against Valencia
With the Darkflame vs Promethean Curse fiasco, we don’t exactly know if Morock can nullify Torren’s Darkflame (or any other GFC) with Promethean by controlling Darkflame himself so it can go differently depending on which way we choose. If we focused on just user raw power, Torren can easily win. If Morock can indeed nullify Torren, then Morock has a very good chance against him imo
With potential, Morock def has a lot more potential since he does have the god curse that can have the properties of any magic. Promethean is just undeniably more potential than anything else that exists. I do think Darkflame can have more potential than Inferno atleast
There’s also a case to be made about the humanity of each of em: Torren doesn’t have it. Torren is Perma Insanity 5 and constantly at full power while Morock may not want to do that
Overall, fun thing I thought about occasionally, no one wins though because the planet would just go kaboom
imagine an edgy arcane oc that was made to be the most powerful thing imaginable
congrats you’ve imagined torren, i’ve already went on a rant about why this bitch is dumb and the lore is better for him not being cannon but i can repeat if you want
theres not much to scale
he solos literally everyone
when he was cannon tech made it so that he killed prometheus, so hes above god level, only thing he cant beat is chaos
I care not for your hatred towards the magic. This thread is specifically for scaling purposes only. that means no dark flame/prometheus fire driding awesomeaos