How many of the 10 (I think) legendaries along with Evan spear (basically the only non legendary used in these builds) does NOT require layer 2
Celtorian Tideknight is for DILUVIAN 
Just get Black Diver if you’re a permafreshie
Yes that’s what I said, you asked what part of a build requires diluvian, I replied with a part of a build that needs diluvian
You do research on the wiki first
13 out of 16
14 if we don’t count the main source of Curveds being Ethiron
Use the wiki and deepwoken co builder
I forgot about hero blades since they are so generic never mind
The deepwoken builder doesn’t help you understand good talents it’s just for organizing and saving a build you’ve already made.
The wiki has no information of what talents are good for example, lootskipper sounds extremely good, but is basically just taken for rare talents. Meanwhile half the attunement color paths sound useless but are all very good.
Thats why you must read the talent details
Usually takes some time for it to be imprinted to head and youll know whats good
Isn’t that… the point of a rougelike?
Trial and error
Yeah, but deepwoken has no explanation on shrine of order, what talents have what reqs, and so on. Build making is one of the few parts of deepwoken that’s virtually impossible to figure out with trial and error
I did. Had to wipe a Kamui bell slot tho
Yeah about that the builder have a talent page, the wiki have a detailed list of talents and their synergies, requirements, notes, etc…
And like, just ask around the discord server or reddit, or someone you know
I have none of these (and no friends that play deepwoken)
thats why you use the wika/builder to help you make builds as it tells you requirements and details if its good or not. Its a great shortcut to making a build
Shrine of order is already calculated
It balances out all stats you have leveled up with character creation or training items (except racial attributes). If there isnt much to balance out then it gets deducted only 25 of its points of that select stat if its above 50+ (i think it was 50+)
I get the feeling we are derailing this topic a bit too much, we should probably make that deepwoken thread now
Stock is learning if he wants to do math to make a godslayer build 
Scion of god slaying builds*
I don’t either. Well actually Flare counts but he’s US and I’m more of a sugar daddy for the guild
Point is it’s just you limiting yourself. You’ll improve overtime
I don’t have a guild (or discord for that matter) 
haphazardly tossing permadeath onto a game and having between run character upgrades doesn’t instantly make the game a roguelike, let alone a good one.