The Seven Original Magics Revamp Concept [Discussion]

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@MrYes for designing Water Magic


Obviously, none of these will ever be added to Arcane Odyssey. Yet it is pleasing sometimes to envision concepts of what a system which focused on the Original Seven would look like. Thus, this topic presents just that.

Each magic in this system is made primarily to have self-synergy and to be unique in and of itself, rather than being focused on how it works with other magics. I think the design philosophy of making a synergy-based system is a fundamentally flawed one as it leaves anyone using a singular magic to boredom, and most synergies are simple damage boosts or stuns. Thus, this system allows the user to dictate how their own magic interacts with itself which varies on each magic.

This system would also be made so that magics can be customized, gaining new gimmicks to compound their original ones. This would effectively work like a tradeoff system, where the player will never be able to choose all of the available options, and instead must make choices and sacrifices.


Fire

The first weapon of man, banisher of the darkness and wild, yet wielding a savage will of its own to ruin and burn, uncaring for its wielder’s whims.

The magic of aggression. Low base damage, but grows to be monstrously powerful on repeat hits, doubly more so if the user is willing to get in close and sacrifice some HP.

Gimmicks

  • Low Base Damage. Attacks are intended to hit repeatedly for snowballing effects.
  • Burndown. An amplifying status effect inflicted on hostile targets.
  • Kindling. A tit-for-tat effect which is inflicted on the user when they cast an attack too close to themselves.

Burndown

Burndown is an effect which is applied when Fire Magic hits a target. Each stack lasts 10 seconds, and a stack’s duration is independent of one another. There is no limit to the amount of Burndown stacks that a target can receive. Burndown is visible on the target via lapping flames which grow more intense with further stacks.

Each stack of Burndown increases the damage of all incoming fire attacks by 3%.

Having 5 or more stacks of Burndown causes NPC targets to lose accuracy over longer-range attacks. Most NPCs will either try to get in closer or will break off to let the stacks deplete.

Kindling

If the user is caught in the hitbox of their own attack which hits an enemy, they receive a stack of Kindling. For every stack of Kindling, the user takes 2.5% of an outgoing attack’s damage, and that attack gains a 5% damage increase. Each stack of Kindling lasts for 8 seconds.

Charging an attack fully causes all stacks of Kindling to immediately be removed, dealing 5% of the attack’s damage per stack instead, but increasing the attack’s damage by 7.5% per stack.

Example Modifiers

  • Reckless Burn. Attacks made in range to cause Kindling to self-inflict causes an additional stack of Burndown on the enemy target.
  • Smolder. Burndown lasts twice as long, but has half the effect.
  • Slow Burn. Burndown now deals Damage over Time for 1.1x the base damage of the attack, but Fire Magic attacks no longer deal damage on-hit. For imbued weapons, this causes half the damage to become a DOT multiplied by 1.1.

Lightning

Heaven’s fury, molded into blazing bolts of the divine which crash down in terrible judgement.

The magic of control and restraint ere immense, dominating power. Requires that the user limit themselves to get it’s full effect, but doing so can let you end fights against common enemies way earlier than any other magic.

Gimmicks

  • Charge. A setting selected on all lightning moves.
  • Charge Meter. A meter which can build in one of two directions, depending on what Charge the target was hit by.
  • Neutralizing Shock. The devastating consequence of a target gaining a polarized Charge Meter and having it corrected.

Charge

All Lightning Magic spells must select one of two Charges, those being Positive Charge or Negative Charge. Once a spell’s Charge is selected, all spells made of the same type must use the same Charge. Switching the Charge of one will change it for all spells of that type (for example, a x3 blast and a x1 blast must use the same charge).

Positively Charged Lightning spells take on a paler, less saturated color, making a lighter-pitched noise. These spells are fast, traveling more quickly and having less startup, but also having less power.

Negatively Charged Lightning spells are more vividly colored, and leave deep cackling noises in their wake. These spells pack a punch, but aren’t quite as speedy.

Charge Meter

When a target is hit by a spell of one of the two Charges, it affects their Charge Meter, shifting it in one direction or the other. Positively-Charged spells move the meter towards positive, with the opposite being true of Negatively-Charged spells.

The Charge Meter is visible over the target’s head, or underneath their boss bar if they have one.

Neutralizing Shock

If the Charge Meter goes above 25% in either positive or negative charge, any landing attack of the opposite charge will reset the meter, and deal bonus damage to the target depending on the Charge Meter’s polarization.

The bonus damage is dependent on the damage of the incoming spell, and equals.

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So for example, if the Charge Meter equals 50% Positive, and you’re hit by a Negative attack dealing 100 damage, you’d take 200 damage in total, as the Neutralizing Shock would deal 100 damage.

If the Charge Meter is above 50% in either direction, it additionally inflicts a brief stun. If it’s above 75%, it instakills non-boss NPCs left with less than 1/4th their max HP after the damage is dealt.

Example Modifiers

  • Ionized. The Charge Meter can no longer be Neutralized at less than 90% charge. However, this means that you can use opposite-charged attacks amid the charge, only lowering said charge instead of completely depleting it.
  • Lightning Rod. Reduces the maximum polarization on a target to 50%. However, you can “detonate” their meter with a guaranteed-hit at any time if it’s above 25%. This hit’s base damage is slightly less damage than Blast spells.
  • Heartstopper. Increases the threshold for insta-kills to be 1/2 HP, but Neutralizing Shock no longer deals bonus damage against normal NPCs. Allows the instakill to apply to players and bosses, but only at 1/4th HP.

Water

The great progenitor of life itself, molder of the Beloved and Beloathed, domain of the Earthshaker. Water wears down the makes of man and the formations of earth alike in its inevitable reclamation of what it once made.

Water’s forte does not lay in raw power. Rather, it excels in setting up the environment to gradually move to the user’s favor, before inevitably wearing the enemy down.

Gimmicks

  • Depths Puddles. Magic-imbued puddles created by spells. Used for Spell Redirection and to control the arena.
  • Spell Redirection. Allows the player to spawn homing, empowered spells upon making a sufficiently large Depths Puddle.
  • Soaked. Stackable catalyst effect that can be triggered with water spells

Depths Puddles

When a water spell detonates, either from hitting a target, landing against terrain, or from the attack itself, it bursts, creating a Depths Puddle on the ground in correspondence to the spell’s power. These puddles will absorb nearby puddles as they grow, provided said puddles were made by the same player, or by a player allied with their creator. Depths Puddles make the movement of anyone who steps into them slippery, along with causing enemies (but not the user or allies) to receive a movement penalty when moving on them.

NPCs will generally avoid Depths Puddles if they can. Some may attempt to destroy or diminish them, which can be done if said puddles are hit directly by magic attacks.

When big enough, Depths Puddles will create a magic circle at their center, indicating that they are now valid for Spell Redirection. This usually is done after said puddle has absorbed 4-6 spells.

Spell Redirection

When casting a spell at a Depths Puddle with a magic circle on them, the player can choose to hold Right Click to instead fire the spell out of the Depths Puddle. Doing so places the spell’s origin at the surface of the puddle, and grants the spell homing, targeting whoever last damaged the player. In addition, the spell will gain power dependent on the size of the puddle. At the minimum size, the damage will increase by 25%, to a maximum of a 50% at the highest size.

Using a Depths Puddle like this will deplete around half of the puddle, though the spell itself can make a new puddle, though only at the standard rate for the spell, ultimately resulting in some loss.

Some spells have different interactions with Depths Puddles, and some may not be able to be casted via the puddle.

Though not all spells can be reasonably replicated, incompatible spells will instead increase the size and by extension duration of puddles hit

Soaked

When a player is hit by Water Magic, they gain a stack of Soaked. Soaked stacks up to 10, with each stack decaying over the course of 5 seconds. Soaked has limited use by default, but is heavily used by Modifiers.

Example Modifiers

  • Split Stream. When using a Depths Puddle to redirect spells it will fire out a copy of the spell a half-second after redirecting your spell. This copy deals half the damage of the redirected spell, and creating it consumes the remainder of the Depths Puddle.
  • Ebb and Flow. Depths Puddles, when prompted to redirect a spell, will first either create a geyser or a whirlpool, dependent on if the target is grounded or airborne. Whirlpools will pull the target in, whereas geysers will put a cap on their velocity, preventing dodges from going as far. These effects get stronger the more stacks of Soaked the target has. This does add a 0.2 second delay to the spell, though, making it less likely to hit targets too far to be hit by either the geyser or whirlpool.
  • Stormy Tides. Water spells will now inflict ‘Vicious Current’ when hitting someone with 5+ stacks of soaked. Vicious Current is a fast ticking, low damage DoT that doesn’t consume stacks when applied. VC will cause soaked stacks to decay 50% faster while in effect, though as long as the target has stacks of soaked VC’s duration won’t begin to tick down

Earth

The ichor and bones of the world, rarely swift, rarely subtle, but as unrelenting as Her rage, caring not for any creation of man, crushing them all the same.

Ferociously powerful, though not-at-all fast, Earth Magic encourages a more grounded, defensive playstyle. It’s also be more modifier-oriented than the others.

Gimmicks

  • Earth’s Embrace. The earth itself sustains and empowers you.
  • Sturdy. The earth comes to your aid for defense.
  • Earthborne. You’re more mobile and powerful on the ground.

Earth’s Embrace

Alongside your Magic Energy meter, you have an additional bar which indicates your earthly connection. This bar depletes quickly (in about 5 seconds) if you are no longer touching something which qualifies as “earth” (so, if you’re mid-air, swimming, or on a ship), and recharges (over about 15 seconds) while touching earth.

This meter is used for your magic’s other features, but is not directly used for spells.

Sturdy

You can block while attacking. Doing so only lasts for 1 second, depletes 50% of your Earth’s Embrace meter regardless of whether you’re hit, and it can never count as a parry. If you don’t have at least 50% of Earth’s Embrace, you cannot do this. Visually, this throws up a shield of rock around you.

Additionally, this only uses your standard blocking power (55% DR), ignoring modifiers.

Earthborne

Your running speed on the ground is increased by 20%. Additionally, grounded dashes cause you to use the earth itself to propel you, increasing their distance by 33%.

The size and damage increase that charging applies to your spells triples while grounded, though charging consumes Earth’s Embrace by about 33% for a fully charged attack while grounded.

Finally, most of your spells now originate over your head while grounded, instead of in front of you. They still aim at your crosshair, but now begin higher to prevent them from hitting the terrain. (Honestly, maybe this should just be an option for all magics)

Example Modifiers

  • One Bird, Two Stones. If you land two attacks in a row against an opponent before they touch the ground, the second deals 15% more damage, and throws them to the ground.
  • Weighdown. Every time you land a hit against a target, rubble builds up on them, increasing the stamina cost of high-jumps by 33% per stack (or increasing their cooldown for NPCs by 50%). Each stack lasts until they high-jump. Caps at 3 stacks.
  • Kronos. Hitting a target within a 30° angle of being directly above you restores 5% of your HP.
  • Return to Earth. All of your projectiles now have gravity, but are much faster.
  • Rockslide. Grounded dashes are now slower, but cause you to slide along the ground twice the distance of a normal dash, and can be canceled to stop immediately.

Wind

Demure one day, a tempest of death the next. Stygian and blistering in equal measure, wind may not possess the sheer might of other magics, but nothing can escape its grasp.

The magic of rough control and manipulation. Has more factors than the other magics to juggle, more settings to mess with. Universally, though, it can be used to forcefully reposition the opponent.

Gimmicks

  • Compression.
  • Temperature.

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Shadow

The essence of the dark and damned, an inescapable hunter of all life, and the eternal companion of the souls in Hades.

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As you may have noticed, some of these are incomplete. That is because I ran out of ideas, and figured that the community would be a good resource for developing more. Plus, if we have nothing to talk about, this topic will likely drop and sink with minimal interest.

Thus, I ask anyone who has ideas to submit them below.

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Man I fw oddly specific passives

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Light’s gimmick is just screaming I guess

You would scream if you got hit by a flashbang at point-blank, therefore; fair gimmick.

No literally it’s just screaming

I know, I was justifying it just being

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It’s placeholder text to keep the format.

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also aware, was making a silly wittle joke.

It’s a reference to the sickle of adamantine (or iron, depending on the version) given to Kronos by Gaia (the earth), which he used on Uranus.

The reason it gives a bonus while below the enemy refers to… well… we’ll just say if you know, you know. Reason it’s not a damage bonus is just because Earth Magic already has a lot of damage bonuses.

for water,

temperature: can be either freezing cold or boiling hot, slowing down targets or dealing bonus damage over time depending on its setting
hydration: yourself and allies hit by your attacks have their cells rejuvenated, healing a slight amount of health (come on man it’s the progenitor of life)

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Is this any good? Who knows! (probably not)

My take on Water

Following in similar footsteps as fire, water magic lacks the raw power other magics may hold but makes up for it through its gimmicks.

Gimmicks
Puddles. Rather useful byproduct of your spells, dissipates after awhile or if hit by someone’s attacks
Soaked. Stackable catalyst effect that can be triggered with water spells
Rippling. The standard effect that occurs when triggering soaked stacks which can change based on modifiers

Puddles
Whenever a water spell makes a contact with the terrain it’ll create a puddle corresponding to the size of the spell. These puddles will gradually grow smaller over time before vanishing completely, duration depending on the initial size of the puddle. When hitting a puddle with a water spell it’ll ‘redirect’ the spell, firing it towards your current target (whoever last hit you/you hit.) Spells that are redirected through puddles will receive an increase in damage as an incentive to use them.

Though not all spells can be reasonably replicated, incompatible spells will instead increase the size and by extension duration of puddles hit

Soaked
Pretty straight forward how this would work, you hit people with water spells (or water-imbued skills( and then they get inflicted with a stack of soaked. Soaked caps out at 10 stacks with most additional effects requiring at least 5 stacks of it to be procced. Soaked stacks naturally decay every 3 seconds

Rippling
Rippling is an effect that is applied when you land a water spell on someone with 5+ stacks of soaked, consuming 5 stacks in the process. While someone is affected with rippling, water spells will be followed up by a secondary hit that deals a portion of the first hits damage. The secondary hit’s damage depends on the amount of soaked stacks currently on the target, each stack of soaked increases it by 5% (capping out at 50% of the first hit.) Rippling cannot be re-applied until the current rippling effect has expired.

Rippling’s effect would also apply to anything imbued with water though to keep it balanced it’ll only have half the effectiveness (2.5% per soaked stack, capping at 25%)

Potential Modifiers
Split Stream. When using a puddle to redirect spells it will fire out a copy of the spell shortly after redirecting your spell. This copy deals half the damage of the redirected spell, ignoring the damage boost from redirection and cannot proc soaked stack effects

Ebb and Flow. When striking a puddle, instead of it redirecting the spell it will consume the puddle and cause either a geyser (knocks people upwards) or whirlpool (drags people towards its center) to appear. What triggers depends on the target’s distance in relation to the triggered puddle (far = whirlpool, near = geyser)

Stormy Tides. Water spells will now inflict ‘Vicious Current’ in place of rippling when hitting someone with 5+ stacks of soaked. Vicious Current is a fast ticking, low damage DoT that doesn’t consume stacks when applied. VC will cause soaked stacks to decay 50% faster while in effect, though as long as the target has stacks of soaked VC’s duration won’t begin to tick down

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Ohhh, yeah, this sounds good! I’ll give it a proper look-over in a bit and add it to the list after that. Thank you, Mr. Yes.

Adding it tomorrow when I can access my PC. Editing something this large isn’t easy on an iPad.

Magic completed, thank you @MrYes .

Did make a few changes. Namely, Rippling felt a bit similar to how Fire Magic’s Burndown worked, so I did change that. Besides that, I loved everything!

May do the health restoration as a Modifier. That said, I wanted the temperature thing to be for Wind Magic, but I’m not sure how to do it.

Fair enough

The forums hid this from me : (

I posted this at like midnight and most of the bumps were pretty late in the day too. The blame’s mostly one me.:sweat_smile:

You should continue this
It’s cool!

I will some other time, I have bigger concerns as of right now.

That said, I’m glad to know people appreciate the concerpts.

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