I DIDNT KNOW THERE WAS IRONWOOD?? WHAT
i cant believe someone went to google about types of wood just to prove me wrong about that holy shit 
hardwood azobe ipe
Wotanâs literally only barely been introduced. We havenât even gotten to his sea yet. Heâd most likely also have atleast some great feats to speak of.
assumption and headcanon
even then its pretty stupid to recognize him as an incredibly strong figure off the bat with 0 proof just because hes a ruler
look at calvus (fodder)
and even tho we havenât gotten to his sea yet, it doesnt hurt giving us a small feat to know even the slightest about him??
also very likely, he wouldnât be called âthe conquererâ for nothing
Vetex probably should have but it wouldnât really matter if we were playing a finished game. The time weâd have to spend at the point we are right now would be a few hours max, not nearly enough to think about anyoneâs feats, which weâd probably get to know a little bit further on in the story
people in the war seas are fodder
because in the finished game we would have already met hm
âânot enough to think about anyones featsââ right now we are literally arguing about his feats
thats the whole point of his
further on in the story we can include his BIGGER feats
refer to below also
it would not hurt nilah giving us a slight rundown on even his smallest feats in a dialogue
its not gonna last as long as the bronze sea main quest storyline ??
again, the time taken from warren telling us about wotan and till we reach vimir would hardly be a few hours, and nobody would care about being told his feats a bit later. Besides, you donât introduce someone and subsequently dump all his lore. Itâd seem exactly like that, a dump. This is ofc, when at least that much of the storyline is finished
Why would she elaborate on her enemyâs backstory when her kingdomâs getting attacked by another. Itâs perfectly logical for her to just give us a brief view of his power
lore does not equal feats
also im saying small fewats, not large feats
isnt this just the entire AO plotline??
actually they are tho??
romulus was able to break the sound barrier (joke, but he was actually able to destroy god knows how much things in oblitesco BEFORE HE EVEN GOT RECRUITED BY THE MANTLE PIRATES in a fight against trigno)
freedrock is freedrock (yeah i dont need to elaborate on this)
rupin is so fucking goated because he is the reason the old sea got ravaged by chaos AND also has the biggest bounty number that we know of in the AU
averill in the future travels the entire world WITH HIS crew. every nook and cranny, including the dark sea.
peacekeeper is peacekeeper (i dont need to elaborate for this one)
theos is theos (i dont need to elaborate for this one)
durzacheron is durzacheron (theres been so many arguments about his feats and while i do agree that hes a fodder, heâs still stronger than literally anyone in the war seas)
??? refer to below
all she did was tell us what curse he has
also talking about what danger he could cause, even putting in the smallest miniscule effort to warn us about him is just so much better than nothing
small feats are not an entire backstory
the overexaggeration is wild
not according to vetex iirc
Itâs still perfectly fine storywise to not mention particular feats. Besides, you could technically count the whole conquests and conqueror stuff to be a feat (though it doesnât explicitly mention how much or what land, still it must be a somewhat considerable amount to give him such a title).
once again, vetex has horrible powerscaling
most chars in the seven seas have far more feats than chars in the war seas
this i agree with, but then again, war sea kingdoms are absolute fodder
or atleast the current ones
ravenna, sameria, whatever the fuck warrens kingdom was are ALL fodder as we know
julian hard carries ravenna
sameria is hard carried by nilah and we dont even know her feats
warrens kingdom? THE CLOUD CURSE AND THE WEAKEST (and by weakest i mean incredibly weak) GFC USER?? TO THE POINT HE WAS SCARED TO FIGHT BACK RAVENNA EVEN THO HE WAS ALREADY IN A CONFLICT WITH THE ORDER??
you genuinely cant tell me it wont be easy to conquer any of those
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why could this be?
refer to when i talked about the feats of war sea characters
as other people have said before in this thread, horrible powerscaling or not, heâs still the dev, and what he says is canon
Ravenna and sameria probably, but the azura province, at least to me, seems implied to be much more powerful than those two and somewhat on par with thorne and ryujin.
headcanon
He wasnât in a conflict with the order. They probably werenât even aware of his involvement. As for ravenna, he was afraid of political consequences, not only with ravenna, but with the order too
Are you fuckers really incapable of not derailing a post?
i asked why, not what
why could the seven seas have more known feats than the war seas?
I mean⌠this thread was about wotanâs power. Also thatâs uncalled for.
if you specifically meant ââwhyââ as in to have me answer ââbecause its already finishedââ i have a few things to say about that too
romulus feat of that was featured in a book before AA broke
rupins is pretty clear because of the bounty, we already knew his bounty
peacekeeper is the MC, clear that theyâll become strong as shit
theosâs feats were already talked about before AA broke
durzacherons feats were already talked about before AA broke
i get that problem being with freedrock and averill but 1. vetex himself said that everything in the past said about freedrock may have been retconned, and we get an explanation of one of his feats in AO too.
averill was already incredibly strong aswell.
not a headcanon
he has 0 feats
they outright took a messenger of his kingdom
if thats not conflict then i dont know what is
ââpolitical consequencesââ ah yes
a horrible point
- if warren was incredibly strong he wouldnât need to worry about that
- as i said, he was already in a conflict with the order
- and left the political consequence to us?? ah yes, totally a better option
- if anything, wotan wouldâve probably been happier about it because he could finally attack sameria
we dont know the feats of ryujin or thorne yet (especially since thorne got tied with ravenna at blasted rock aka the most fodder kingdom)
azura province is fodder
refer to the top because i got a bit confused and misread what instead of why
yes we are incapable of that
Heâs also a gfc user
Not openly. He still wasnât technically in conflict with the order, who werenât even supposed to exist anymore
Heâs not a one-man army, he wouldnât want to bring his kingdom into an open conflict with the order, since they must be pretty powerful to have survived all this time (and killing the ruler of a whole sea, albeit a weak one, only lowered their power by 9%)
Weâre not the representative of a kingdom, just some randoms
Wotanâs not the only one his involvement could displease
Feats are not necessarily power just like irl being famous is not the same as being rich
that does not mean he has good feats
he knew about beringer getting kidnapped
ââtechnicallyââ if anything its technically conflict
so is wotan equal to a not that strong individual??
he should be strong enough to protect his kingdom, no??
except for the fact that hes basically sending 4 people to impending doom that arenât even guaranteed to succeed
if hes that strong he shouldnât care
the only one hes gonna displease is the order
what is this supposed to mean
being famous or rich is not a feat
feats ARE by definition an accomplishment that require skill and strength??
Like I said the orderâs probably pretty powerful and no doubt has some powerful curses, seeing as theyâve been collecting curses and not even heâd be that powerful
More like something weâre known for, not necessarily something that requires skill and strength
He himself is literally the only one (except for maybe randal) whoâs even had a suitable opportunity to tell us about his own feats, and thatâd just be bragging.
are you like
trying to change the definition
honestly too bad
hes already lame him bragging is not gonna make him worse when literally no one in the fanbase cares about him
then he should battle it as fast as he can??
thats the same mistake cursebeard did in lore
he fought durzacheron way too late
so warren isnt top tier in the war seas?
so WOTAN also isnt top tier in the war seas because theyâre explicity said to be equal