Interchange pots were already sold for around 45k consistently before the empires update and nothing changed so far with that price. Naturally that means that acris should be 90k. It had nothing to do with the previous price of acris being 75k since if that were the case then interchange pots wouldve been sold for about 37.5k instead (which wasnt the case)
These are just a few examples of shops and random messages and some prices in vetcord are ofc lower than these prices
Also it makes 0 sense to sell acris for 75k if you could just turn them into interchange pots and sell those for 45k each. If acris arent worth 2x as much as interchange pots theres a problem
Or it is a simple correlation, not causation. Traders trade for what they see as profitable in a reasonable amount of time. Trying to get 55-65k per interchange pot in the next month or so seems dumb af. But lets see then if your prediction is correct. I predict that interchange pots will stay at 45k and possibly even drop to 40k. Theres an unlikely chance of increasing to 50k but its not impossible either. But i def dont see 55k+ happening ANY time soon. Acris are naturally double those prices
Acrimonies that are hoarder naturally arent on the market, thus they shouldnt be included in the supply of acris to the market. Ik that theres someone with 400+ acris, but they dont post any messages in vetcord nor trading channels in general. Should their 400+ acris be included in the supply of acris then? No
It is basically secondary currency tho, that i agree with. But a good like 80%+ of trades that include acris/interchanges are for galleons. The other 20% usually being for sunkens, which in their own right are basically a secondary currency too.
Or, maybe people are simply willing to pay more for an acri/interchange pot, regardless of what the valuelist says? The fact you mention is a simple correlation and not causation in my eyes and in the eyes of most established traders. Since its pretty easy to get 45k galleons for an interchange pot, that means an interchange pot is worth 45k. This then gets updated on the valuelist at some point and then either a new price is found (likely a decrease in the future) or the price stays the same, which the galleon updates to.
I would love to see proof of that, since i could only find 1 guy’s shop selling acris for 100k each AFTER the valuelist update
Gonna post the rest of my reply as a separate reply again cuz i feel like its better to separate the discussion about how the valuelist works and your opinion on acri/interchange values
Sorry but i cannot take you seriously over these prices. If you sold your acris/interchanges for those prices youll have swarms of people rushing at you as if youre a quality shop with huge discounts on black friday
Your price fails to account for many aspects that have changed since acris were released. There were a lot of factors that kept the price of interchanges low, such as mystery pots, and whats now called interchange variants (gels, brews and other ez methods for resets). Once these cheap and ez methods of getting an interchange were nerfed/removed, interchanges became more expensive. But then luck 5 happened and they dropped to like 25k a piece, simply because of the abundance of acris/interchanges. Then the party nerf happened which made acris a lot harder to get for parties. Couple that with update hype and loads of people wanting to try vitality builds and interchange prices rose back up. Then the nimbus update caused some massive galleon inflation due to people being able to sell their trash to npcs to get galleons very easily. While said galleon inflation has by now stabilized and is likely going to deflate due to the marketplace, it still had a huge impact on galleon values. Getting 45k galleons rn is easier than getting 30k galleons back when interchanges were just added. With the recent luck nerfs it only became harder to get acris/interchanges but i predict that the marketplace will offset that value increase (at least in terms of galleons).
So for the current values, it simply doesnt make sense to value an acri at 55-65k, and interchange pots at 30-35k. I could get that amount of galleons (55-65k) within an hour or two, either by grinding + trading or even by only grinding, but it would likely take me at least 3 hours of grinding to get an acri EVEN with luck 5. The general playerbase can much more easily grind galleons than they can acris. It only makes sense then that acris are priced highly in terms of galleons.
And the other message already counters this point. The galleonlist does have control over the marketplace, but thats mostly so for new traders who dont know values and blindly follow the list. Established traders/shops dont use the list much if at all.
no bec everyone knows that the galleon SHOULD be demolished, but if it somehow does more and more value charts will be popping up to fill in the power gap
Looking back at my comments, theyre WAY too long so heres a tl;dr:
Inter pots were sold for 45k pre empires, so naturally acris were 90k pre empires too. Nothing changed there
The list updated on the 22nd of october, but shops and simple trade messages were already selling acris for 90k each before the 22nd
It doesnt make sense if acris arent worth double an interchange pot
The increase in prices werent caused by the valuelist’s updates, theyre just a correlation. I predict that interchange pots will either stay at 45k, or drop to like 40k when the marketplace is back. If they do increase then to 50, but def not 55k+. Also, these are my predictions for the “short” term of like 2-3 months. After that its harder to predict
Hoarded acrimonies cant be used to judge an item’s supply in the trading market
Acris are basically a secondary currency, similar to sunkens and even seasonals (but seasonals less so)
People are simply willing to buy interchange pots for 45k and the valuelist updates to that at some point. Established/common trades change the valuelist, but the valuelist doesnt then change the established/common trades. Consumers do that
I havent seen proof of any shop’s prices going up since the valuelist updated. The only example of acris sold 100k in a shop that i could find, is from a guy who had already been selling them for 100k each before the list updated
In response to your values of acris/interchanges
Your prices are far below the marketprice
Your price fails to account for numerous factors that have changed the economy since interchanges were added
The amount of effort it takes to grind for your prices is much lower than the amount of effort it takes to grind for an acri straight up. Even the current market prices are like that, but less so. This is especially the case for the general playerbase since grinding 20k galleons for them is much easier than opening 1k chests
But i do agree with getting rid of valuelists since they make trading less fun. It should be more about negotiating than definitive values. Tho if anything, the list doesnt manipulate the values of established traders much if at all. In fact, the only ones who are being manipulated, are the new traders who follow the list blindly. But tbf i dont think thats a bad thing for them since if the list is accurate then theyre getting pretty fair prices for their items. Much better for them then to sell their acri for 10k or your price of 55-65k when they couldve gotten 90k for it
There’s like a lot that sells them at or around 75K, Im gonna use the details feature for this to prevent image spam, though not gonna count the overly high and low price since there’s very few.
(^ Most likely bought at the lowest price but since his range is within 75K in the middle, I’ll try to include it)
Up to starting this month that sells around 90K
Post Luck Nerf
45 Total for those who sold around 75K/37.5K for acrimony/interchange this month.
26 Total for those who sold around 90K/45K for acrimony/interchange this month.
If the value list is adjusting their price based on majority of different people who sells their stuff, this would clearly be a big yikes for their decision and shows they mostly cater to the greedy people since it shows a huge gap between the two. Note that this is basically half a month when luck was nerfed yet a lot of people are still fine selling at around 75K, yet the value list increased simply because the minor part being interchange, is sold at 45K? Previous to this, acrimonies itself are still being sold around 75K while yes there are still some who sold interchanges for 45K.
What I can conclude with this is that interchange and acrimony should be accounted as separate since clearly there are still a lot more people selling acrimonies for around 75K if you continue to look back (There’s literally a lot and uploading every single one is getting tiring ) and there’s a clear divide between the two so two interchange shouldn’t equal to an acrimony, the difference being that almost no one needs an acrimony for two resets which is why the 45K interchange is a popular choice but when people need two more, they’re buying the acrimonies that’s around 75K instead of 90K.
It is the cause because the moment it updates, the price magically increases for majority of the people because it is quite literally what is being followed. For example:
14 Total for those who sold around 50K/25K for acrimony/interchange in April.
15 Total for those who sold around 60K+ for acrimony/interchange in April.
Small difference right? Wanna know their decision? YEAH BABY!!! LET’S RAISE THE PRICE BECAUSE CLEARLY THAT 1 POINT DIFFERENCE MATTER IN DEMOCRACY!!!
4 Total for those who sold around 50K/25K for acrimony/interchange after May adjustment.
12 Total for those who sold around 60K/30K for acrimony/interchange.
And this has been happening literally all the way back to early 2024. Very small difference on how they were being sold but the bigger price is at the majority? YEAH BABY DEMOCRACY, LET’S INCREASE THE PRICE.
If you keep looking it up (Yeah I’m tired, people can just look it up for themselves) around this month:
If I counted right, there’s a 6 point difference between those who sold around 65K/half against those who sold around 75K/half+. Around August when 45K stuff became popular but there are still those selling acrimonies for 60K nearly at the same amount, the story is the same as here and so on.
Even if the shops that you’re talking about doesn’t follow the value list, there’s still a ton of random people following it, almost closely even, which you have said and I also agree that are new traders, but to add onto that, lazy people. Sorry for the yap, Imma go check out the other reply.
Yeah ngl, I based them near the earliest reasonable price 45K/half . As of now, due to the luck 5 farming being well-known, there’s a huge ton of supply for acrimonies and yet it still increased. This is even when infinite leg scale was a thing, it still keeps on increasing instead of lowering.
Yeah, that’s where it becomes 55K-65K/half. Though the empires update has already drained a lot of people’s galleons due to being impatient in farming treasury funds and instead uses their own galleons, the stuff that the average player that sold (Im guessing around 150K for someone around 300-600 hours, using three of my friends as reference), should have been gone by now.
It’s incredibly hard for the casuals to even go above 50K after selling all the stuff they’ve had in their playtime and they’re the majority of the playerbase, yet the value list’s decision is still to increase by 15K because the 45K option of buying acrimonies is popular where when you look at it in another way, a lot of players are literally broke enough to not afford a 75K acrimony but they just need one reset.
All in all, sorry for the yap like fr. I just couldn’t believe that unlimited valuable stuff keeps increasing drastically without even accounting the general pricing simply because majority in their server’s traders agree that it should increase. And if you look at their history, it just keeps increasing when there’s either no huge difference between the two or the former is still being in majority.
Anyways Imma go eep since Im tired rn, didn’t think we’d take 4 hours for this . Have a good night/day!
im a galleon list hater but its just the fact that galleons are inflated and honestly kinda useless which is why everything costs a lot more galleons. i can sell random junk in my inventory and easily get 25k coins for free
like cmon bro, lower the price for an interchange to like 30k so casuals can buy a stat reset off the marketplace without having to give up several internal organs
i should hoard acrimonies and do this and give stat resets to those who need it, fartman financial assistance
Can’t do that . Predatory traders will be buying and hoarding them to manipulate the market , selling them at higher prices after purchasing them at lower ones .
Alright first of all i have to acknowledge the amount of evidence youve dug up. Not only is this one of the few times that ive had a proper discussion about values with a forumer, but its also the first time said forumer actually provided proof. So ty for that . Also im gonna be making shorter points than i made in my other comments simply because the amount of yapping we have done in this topic is equal to prolly more than 100 replies in other topics .
Back to the discussion, seeing all of your evidence on current acri prices i have to acknowledge that 75k is a more accurate price when it comes to selling an acri directly. But at the same time, your evidence proves that interchange pots are 100% worth 45k atm since if i counted correctly, you showed 9 examples of pots at 40k or lower, and 16 examples (so nearly double) of pots at 45k or 50k. On top of that, most big traders will also ask for that price if you asked for an interchange pot, but thats a much weaker point so just think of that as an extra. Anyways, i did mention this earlier
but im going to have to both attack and defend this point now. You are correct in saying that acris are more consistently being sold for 80k or lower than they are for 85k or higher. Big traders/shops consistently post such messages but theyre less likely to find a trade than those people who sell for less but only post once or twice. I do assume that those acris are mostly being bought by big traders but thats besides the point.
But at the same time if you can sell an interchange pot for 45k and you can get 2 interchange pots per acri, then why sell an acri directly and not turn it into 2 interchange pots? Youre still effectively getting 90k out of it, but just indirectly. Should that mean that acris should be valued at 90k on the valuelist? Imo yes, but with a note saying that if you buy them directly you can get them for less. Something like that to balance out the difference between selling an acri directly and indirectly. Otherwise, if you value them at 75k on the list, youll get a weird discrepancy with interchange pots thatll be very confusing to new players
So imo, this isnt catering to greedy people, this is just a miscommunication in the value of interchange pots vs acris. Also i wouldnt consider calling interchange pots a minor part, cuz like you said they are more in demand than acrimonies themselves. That then also accounts for your point of valueing them separately
So then this is a case of the galleonlist undervalueing the acris right? This seems more like a human error than actual market manipulation since theres such a small difference. Also, the acris sold for 50k are WAY more likely to find a trade than the acris sold for 70k. Same for reset pots being sold at 25k vs 35k or even 40k in one of your screenshots. I think the list was decently accurate here, enough to not be accused of manipulation at least.
I assume the screenshot you posted right after the part i quoted is a mistake right? Since it doesnt seem to have much to do with your point, seeing as that screenshot is from september while the 45-50k part is from april
After that you mention a valuechange in may which i assume to be this one
You likely meant to upload this one instead of the september one i assume
Anyways ik ive repeated this point a few times by now but i still think its relevant. Sure the galleonlist did update the acri price to a higher value, but thats only because people were actually willing to pay that price. You wouldnt see all these people selling acris for 60k if they simply arent getting trades. This is especially the case for shops who post their messages consistently. Why post the same message over and over again of selling acris for 60k if you arent selling any for 60k? At that point its better to sell them for lets say 55k so u can actually get trades.
Since youve posted so much proof already im willing to believe your word for those prices in september. Anyways there is one more point that i do want to mention, and that is that the valuelist does value the opinion/prices of shops over that of just one off trades. Why? Because these shops posts trade-messages far more consistently than some random person. Sure you might find some guy selling an acri for around 65k at 1am on the 15th of september. But youll also find a shop owner selling an acri for around 75k every day of the month, likely even multiple times a day. This is basically how scroll prices got cemented, since you see people constantly selling powerfuls for 20k in shops so theres literally no point in looking for that once a day (maybe even a week) trade of a powerful for 15k.
Other than that point, i think ive given all the counterarguments i could come up with already. But like ive said in other topics, the valuelist for sure ISNT perfect. Usually its slow to update and thus reflecting false values. Other times a change might get added too fast and should be revised immediately (like the recent sw and ssword value changes)
I cant disagree with that. A lot of new traders use the valuelist and blindly follow it, even if the valuelist itself states that its values are a guideline and not a rulebook. I honestly wouldnt mind if the galleonlist disappears today, hell even the owner of the valuelist doesnt want to work on it. I would love to go back to negotiating trades based on more personal values, like back in wom. Ive suggested the valuelist to try a tierlist format to get rid of definitive values and add more nuance to said values. But that ultimately flopped. New players are just too lazy . Also even if the galleonlist gets deleted i bet you another valuelist will take over sadly
I dont quite get this point. Why would you base them off of 45k/half? Maybe that was just cuz you didnt check for evidence before saying that? Cuz based on your evidence and the way youve been arguing with me, you should be valueing acris/interchanges at 75k/45k. As for the other point in this paragraph, said supply of acris is basically off limits. The people who grinded acris like crazy (some guy with 400+ for example) arent trading any of their acris. So naturally, when looking at the price of an item, we have to account for the supply that is actually on the market.
Fair point if youre just looking at the prices on the market at that time. But any competent trader wouldnt sell their acri for that low when they can get that money within 30 min of selling parts of their inv.
This is mostly correct tho, which is why galleon inflation has stabilized and is likely going to start deflating. The marketplace will further help with that due to galleons being the only way to buy items
I dont think i need to respond to your second point because it basically repeats your main point in the other message. A mix of both approaches of valueing items would likely be best in this case. So saying that acris are usually sold for about 75k, while you can get 90k for them if you sold the interchange pots individually
Nah dw about it, i yapped way too much too lol. But Gn to you
Because traders put in way more effort to grind or trade for items/galleons. You can say the exact same about casuals vs pvpers when it comes to pvping
I dont see why i should give my sunken sword for cheap to Timmy. Idm giving him stuff i dont value much, like some galleons, a rare spell scroll etc for free. But traders arent obligated to give a casual an easy trading experience. If you want a rare item you better grind or offer properly for it . Blame the game for making them so rare and valuable instead, but thats also stupid cuz thatd remove much of the fun in getting those items. Honestly it basically sounds like you want communism in ao lol
Sure i could sell some stuff for cheap, but at the same time theres not much point in that. Ill be happy if i can help someone out to get something IF they actually put in the effort. I dont want to give the fisherman the fish straightup
Ye i wouldnt consider it healthy that they grinded for that many acris, but how is it market manipulation?? If there acris arent involved with the market at all then how exactly do they manipulate the market??
This would be very nice for casuals but you already know that if they arent fast enough then a trader or even just a somewhat less casual player will def take the trade instead . But honestly you could just do what you mentioned after this part but make sure to check that theyre actually casual players who need a reset pot
are you joking?
gathering galleons en masse is unbelievably easy.
you don’t even have to do actual trading for 30k to be pocket change lol.
I’ve always thought the galleon was stupid for the opposite reason.
You couldn’t convince me to trade half the items on that list for a million galleons but I sure will buy them for a tiny fraction of that if people insist.
Tbf akursius charts are pretty hard to get (cant use alts to guarantee them) and then you still gotta get a power amulet AND have it be fair AND have it be blasted. So theyre def pretty rare while also being good on nearly all if not all builds
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. Also im gonna be making shorter points than i made in my other comments simply because the amount of yapping we have done in this topic is equal to prolly more than 100 replies in other topics 
. Blame the game for making them so rare and valuable instead, but thats also stupid cuz thatd remove much of the fun in getting those items. Honestly it basically sounds like you want communism in ao lol