What in the world, balance team? (Balance changes discussion thread)

[Gamehero14]

Ayo, literally nobody thinks lightning is in any way busted, why are they needing it?

[MrNormalBox]

bc universal 10% proj speed buff

[Retribution]

I already did, bozo

@Retribution

Sure, the Sailor Style one is annoying, but there is a pretty obvious reason I can think of when I used it: it takes forever for it to leave somewhere around a 120+ damage threshold until you get to about 45% seawater currently (assuming you have 0 power, too)
The changes that seemed to turbo-buff warlord are a relief for several classes, and actually make fighting better on both sides of an exchange in some cases (Namely, the Striking Gale changes)

[AnUnoriginalUsername]

@pristine

changes to imbues that was not previously thought possible, so these changes were removed.

mind elaborating?

@pristine

A new option was proposed by Vetex that we didn’t know he could or would be willing code, making this solution no longer needed.

[wmdrayal]

A new option was proposed by Vetex that we didn’t know he could or would be willing code, making this solution no longer needed.

[Crimsonpants]

Take it back a step. This is a civil discussion, be an adult. They were clearly asking about more “W changes”, and how they are considered good in your eyes.

[Retribution]

Well, they are removed, but…
Acid size buff I can attest to with a few comments some randoms and friends have made. One guy I know runs an Acid/Glass Paladin, and he says they’re kinda the same.
Light changes were kinda bad, admittedly, but at the same time, I really did not like how fast light blasts went. …I’ll probably regret saying that when I play Light.
Lightning speed nerf didn’t seem extremely significant.

[Saiju]

@Retribution

I really did not like how fast light blasts went

@Retribution

I’ll probably regret saying that when I play Light.

Oh you have no idea how great it feels.

Basically Max Attack Speed in AO (v1.13)

[SpectreTheFox]

@Saiju

Aether magic straight up exists to explore this side of light

For players it’s about the same speed as fire magic.

[NickyZ1]

magma speed buff

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[Crimsonpants]

That’s a fat speed buff too hot dang. Makes it faster than Earth, which was already struggling to be relevant in the first place.

[Retribution]

I- I fucking- What did I just fucking see…
I… I need one of my memes from like 2017 to fucking state what this ABOMINATION invokes in me

Absolute
Peak
What the KENTUCKY FRIED

F U C K ?

[Saiju]

Whats funny is that this is going to be outdated and potentially a lot faster given:

• Formula changes
• Gem buff
• Blast speed buff

etc.

This world shall know speed.

Edit:

OH

I forgot about this too.

[Retribution]

I am absolutely fucking terrified. This is FUCKED.
What makes this even worse is some later changes that I cannot mention here.

I might have to make my build magma-light warlock at this rate. This is DISGUSTING…

[Saiju]

Guess the speed buff go reverted at some point, but this barely affects my speed and makes things interesting.

Also i wish u luck in one’s endeavors and shenanigans.

Walk the path of speed will you?

[Retribution]

That size penalty and arc reduction is fucking perfect tho.
I really needed that, personally.

Still, I’ll have to consider it now. It’s a hard bargain to choose between double fighting styles (quadruple the fun, especially with Cannon Fist for #2) or double magics (shit like this + imbues)

[pristine]

@AnUnoriginalUsername

mind elaborating?

Vetex has let us know that this whole time, he was willing and able to individually edit imbue values regardless of the Magic / Style’s affinity. If we want Light at 1.3x speed on imbue rather than 1.4x, he’s willing to simply do that. Without affecting the base Magic at all. Would have been really nice to know that this was something he’d be willing to do sooner, but absolutely better late then never.

This gives us far more flexibility when it comes to reeling in outliers, and buffing up imbues that may be falling behind (Metal, Iron Leg, Wood, etc).

[pristine]

@Crimsonpants

That’s a fat speed buff too hot dang. Makes it faster than Earth, which was already struggling to be relevant in the first place.

Compared to Earth, Magma will be faster now, but has far lower impact damage at 0.9x compared to Earth’s 1.0x, depending on DoT and self-synergy to stay even relatively even. Magma may have much more utility, but Earth also having greater size means it remains a much better low-effort option in comparison.

We wanted to balance Magma around Crystal’s speed range, rather than trying to keep it competing with Earth and Metal in the very-very-slow category.

[Crimsonpants]

Ahh sorry, I never factor in synergies when thinking. Though, in comparison, I do still hold the opinion that Earth should get something. What’s the damage threshold for the bleed again? Something crazy like 20% or higher?

Compared to metal, which takes less, its much harder to proc earths bleed. This isn’t really a BIG issue, but I would like to diversify some magics. Heavy magics/fighting styles certainly got the short end of the stick by being just ‘bleeding at a certain threshold’, rather than any sort of unique effect.

(Almost forgot about Wood, as many people do, but I think its bleed threshold is actually reasonably achievable)

[Saiju]

@Crimsonpants

Something crazy like 20% or higher?

On the Trello earth requires 30% of target’s max hp, but Magic stats and interactions on Trello are still outdated. It still doesn’t show Light’s self synergy yet.

So i’d say it’s about 10% which would make sense as it would line itself w/ other things related to 10-15% iirc.