Why is PvP hell for me?

I know that AO is largely populated by the super-meta users because they’re the only ones who can keep themselves entertained by PvP right now, but I haven’t caught a break recently.
Do I have a bad build? Bad Magic?
I go Plasma/Poison Mage.


I did like two fights with this build, but I’d use the Argos Cape under most circumstances.

I don’t feel like I suck because I’m bad, I know all the tricks, I know how to make a build (this is an all-rounder), I have the resources, and I’m using decent magic interactions.

What’s going wrong?
Other than the fact that Warrior is braindead.

bro’s total value of accessories is more than my total value of all my items in all 4 files combined doubled (in game values)

Yeah, I’m more of the exploration type, I’m just getting PvP skill to servicably defend myself.

I’m not an avid pvper so my advice might not hold the most weight, but it could be the build. Most pvp builds that I see spec mainly into 1 substat (around 200) and then medium amount into another substat (around 100).

For poison attack size is good and intensity is good for both poison and plasma (plasma to a lesser extent)

Also for mage I hear that agility isn’t needed too much, maybe 50 is ok if you really need it. I personally use around 80-100 tho whenever possible so it’s up to you.

Other than that, you just need practice to get better at pvp. I don’t pvp much but I’ve gotten to the point where I can at least defend myself against the average ganker.

Well it seems alright then, considering it’s an all-rounder build. Stat builds are done in a way where as long as you don’t allocate like 20% res, 20% defense, and 20% intensity or something like that, then it should be alright, besides of course the fact that power should always be maximum.

The first build is good
Second is meh

How about some clips, preferably a whole match so we can judge your performance.

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dont be a drawback darryl

Dude it’s 2 drawback, the only thing it ruins is M1s.

Bro when i TELL you drawback is probably the main reason you’re performing poorly, I would know from experience

I used to run 3 drawback from like October to May. At first when drawback stuff had come out and I could teleport all over the place it was nice, but eventually as stuff was nerfed I found myself almost never being able to win any fights it was a little frustrating

When I finally decided to try no drawback I performed SO much better. My survivability in 1v1s was way longer and I actually could win against players again. If I wasn’t winning, I was at least lasting for a good while.

The reason drawback is bad (even on vitality builds idk how ppl thought the imbuement wasn’t bad when it first came out) is not because it “barely damages you.” No, it’s because it essentially takes away you’re regeneration

You can say that in a fight regen doesn’t matter but trust me you heal a lot of health in a fight. With drawback you lose a lot of health you could have. You could have drawback and be at 200 health and if you didn’t have it you’d be at like maybe 500-600

Ik this was long I just hate drawback

It’s also visually disgusting :confused:

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plasma/poison is not bad in the slightest lol

Do not make all-rounders, dump everything into attack speed, defense and power and it will work :+1:

Personally I just find the pvp to be janky and unfun regardless of what build I’m using.
You could just be the same there.

but the lightningggg

running triple lightning build. Sailor Fist (drunken visuals have lightning-like effects), Lightning, and Drawback. i love it

i don’t like the blood on the hands and legs though

I hate the visuals personally.

How is this, yall?
I can totally make this, I’m just waiting on the next update in case it throws a wrench in this.
Besides the Atlantean Modifier though, I tend to avoid that, and I don’t really have that, it just looks better


Sorry I made this before yall said not to use drawback, I’ll probably fix that going forward

less power more defense

more substats (If you have a substat then have it above 100)

Using insanity is fine because I’m a goat who can survive the illusions but most people aren’t me so use warding to mitigate that.

Alright, here’s sort of a culmination of the advice.


I’m not sure how I can keep the stats this high without ignoring Size, so that can’t go well.

I made a version that accounts for size, because that’d be a rough adjustment, what do you think?

basically what @Cosmos says it kills all of your regeneration

also, drawback while bleeding or poisoned will destroy your hp so its really never worth it

nah your build is fine, but still get rid of the drawback

drawback ain’t that bad yall, I run 2-3 and i’m doing fine

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