Agility and stat problems

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@Pablotm

Ok I see but classes in this game aren’t like the classic rpg’s , they have many more differences besides just their stats. Each one has its own unique attacks (we dont talk about vitality) , weapons, armor, awakenings and stuff. In my own experience I’ve been seeing plenty of build diversity among players.

i’m not talking about class stats, i’m talking about armour stats, i have no issue with class stats

[GlitchingEclipse]

I feel like mainly the problem is that this armor system doesn’t seem like it’s going to be sustainable in the future when we can actually get to higher levels

At some point armor builds are either going to have builds which spec into everything with everything at such high amounts (which won’t leave much diversity), spec extremely high into a stat (annoying and likely unfun to fight builds) or everything will be weak and we’ll be in power + defense meta again (which sucked)

[OffAndSphere]

see insane-single stat builds SHOULD be viable, there should just be a controlled range for stats that can get too “wild” when stacked too much, like attack size

i have an essay on this if you’d like to read it

[OffAndSphere]

yea i’m just gonna post my essay

An observation on certain stats like Attack Size

I may turn this into a suggestion, but this post is going to be more of a shout into the void because it’s probably too late into the game for any reworks to stats to be made. And Vetex may have a solution to this that I haven’t bothered to look up yet. Also, the numbers in the armors aren’t completely accurate, they’re just there to get my point across. [image] [image] [image] [image] [image]

also this

A real fix to the scaling of percentage stats

Aight, so nobody reads long suggestions, so I’ve done my best to make this one short. Unfortunately, most people on this forum probably can’t be asked to read that either, so I’ve made lots of pictures to hopefully capture your 20 second attention spans. If even the pictures are too much for you, you can scroll to the bottom for a tl;dr. To start with, I’m going to assume you know that: The percentage stats (agility, magic size, casting speed, etc) are garbage at our levels. The problem w…

[Pablotm]

@OffAndSphere

yea i’m just gonna post my essay

Didn’t meta solve your problem?

[Pablotm]

They thought of that

@Meta

The current formula scales so that as the level cap increases, you need more of the same stat to maintain effectiveness, but there will be a small increase in overall effectiveness with the stats you can get at that level. For example, 250 size at level 500 will be much less impactful than 250 size right now.

[GlitchingEclipse]

Doesn’t really change much when stats are gonna increase on armors as you go higher anyway

[OffAndSphere]

yea, but

An observation on certain stats like Attack Size

Wait, I thought the formula was something like: Let X be your current level. Let Y be your Agility stat times 50. Your dash distance bonus is Y divided by X. Example: 500 Agility at Level 200. Y = 500 * 50 = 25000. X = 200. Y/X = 25000 / 200 = 125% dash distance bonus Example: 500 Agility at Level 400. Y = 500 * 50 = 2500. X = 400. Y/X = 25000 / 400 = 62.5% dash distance bonus Example: 1000 Agility at Level 300. Y = 1000 * 50 = 50000. X = 300. Y/X = 50000 / 300 = 166.67% dash distance bonus I…

An observation on certain stats like Attack Size

If you’re willing to AFK on a level 1 slot for 3 hours to unlock trading, you can test this! Trade some perfect agility gems and level 1 armour to a level 1 file. Equip them, and if you get banned for speedhacking (45 agility at level 1 is ~= 5600 agility at level 125), the formula works as you’re describing. Otherwise, it’s working as I describe. Alternatively, maybe @Meta can clarify.

[Pablotm]

@An observation on certain stats like Attack Size

45 agility at level 1 is ~= 5600 agility at level 125

The formula scales with the current level CAP not your current level

[OffAndSphere]

Well, that will still suck, because when the level cap is several hundred levels high and the final boss has been released, newbies will have to grind forever to get their wacky giant-but-not-gamebreaking AoE builds.

Aka:

@NoBanana

If I’m reading this right, you’re describing an automatic self-nerfing formula that produces outcome 3?
The level cap is currently 125, so you need 1 point for every 0.4% boost or whatever, but when vetex raises the cap to 200, that will automatically be factored into the formula and 1 point will only give a 0.2% boost, automatically ensuring that these stats are only ever effective at max level.

[Pablotm]

when the final boss has been released, newbies will actually have a full game of content to enjoy instead of having to spend hundreds of hours trying to get a minmaxed build like we do rn

[yrni0]

@OffAndSphere

newbies will have to grind forever to get their wacky giant-but-not-gamebreaking AoE builds.

To be frank, due to the likes of equipment level limit and boss drop chances, Arcane Odyssey will eventually be hostile to new players without any of these changes.

[OffAndSphere]

But I think part of the fun of going through the story and progressing is “minmaxing” your build while you’re fighting all the bosses. If you have to grind to level 150 to even have your attack-size-focused build provide a noticeable advantage, and then grind another 150 levels to have the advantage noticeably increase, that’s not very interesting.

[Pablotm]

@OffAndSphere

that’s not very interesting.

Yes it is bro, you’ll be grinding those levels while progressing the story. Literally in every game ever minmaxing your build has been an endgame thing.

[Slender]

agility at 20% efficiency does almost nothing, its just qol

[GlitchingEclipse]

Still having speed with tps together is just not a good idea period, you’d have to make the attack speed part much more shit for it to not be annoying to fight

[Zormego]

Does anyone else have an empty file that they’re saving for an Oracle build on full release?

[Person]

Me, I’m trying to make a file for each build

[StockSounds]

Not necessarily empty, but I made a Juggernaut to possibly switch to an Oracle.
As a matter of fact, I made it before Eagle Patrimony was even announced.

[Actravaz]

i’m guilty of this too dw