Made so people stop flooding the lore drop thread with discussion and not lore drops. Lore drop thread(Sorta spoilers)
https://forum.arcaneodyssey.dev/t/lore-drop-thread-sorta-spoilers/142559/1767?u=offandsphere
that goes to torren, a retconned character that was even more overpowered than the arcane adventures protagonist who killed an undead prometheus and hades
i hope no one talks here and this thread gets completely ignored and the original lore drop thread keeps getting flooded
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What was his deal anyway before he was retconned? I always heard about him but didn’t know anything
His deal was being stupid OP. That’s pretty much it. You could find him as a boss in AA (but no one ever did, apparently) who was basically unkillable. You can probably find more on the big outdated Trello Trello
We got lore drop thread which is like RFAO,
Now we have the discussion thread too.
He was the user of the Darkflame Curse. He was introduced at a time before the Arcane Universe’s foundation was really a thing, so in the OLD old lore, he was actually the one who killed Prometheus and destroyed Ian’s Cross.
Between 2018-2021 he was given lore that tied him with Freedrock. He was basically a stupidly powerful warrior from the Cross Kingdom, who eventually accidently destroyed his Kingdom. He would eventually go insane, and in this bout of insanity would notoriously kill Freedrock, several times over.
He was eventually retconned for being too OP but here are some screenshots of his limits.
this is why I’m torren’s #1 hater
“you got any interesting writing”
“we got aura”
torren has better lore than 80% of modern AO characters if im being real
oh yay the arcane lore encyclopedia i remember being obsessed with it when i found it in 2023 and just basing everything from it 
that 20% is just neviro
why does this random mary sue bum have this much content for him meanwhile there’s crickets for everything else
“hey so how does magic work and how did AA’s story unfold?”
vetex and tech: “erm we have no idea 
here’s a few little events but hey if you want pages and pages of lore on our mary sue oc who is retconned here you go”
and that’s the unfortunate truth
AA has a better story and magic system than AO 
hes not a mary sue, hes a tale of what the grand fire curses (and more broadly, curses) have done to humanity.
aa had the over-arching idea that magic, curses etc were the source of human suffering, being literal CURSES on the race, having killed 80% of all people, and driving humanity to immense greed and causing the AG-OSP hyperwar
some of yall aint ready 4 this discussion tho smh
while it is nice to actually establish the idea that the AA story is trying to convey, I think that trying to cram the emphasis of magic’s impact on the world onto one person was bound to cause issues
there could have been better ways to do it, and I think that they did do a good job with setting up that premise with people like rupin, morock and durzacheron, but trying to make one comically overpowered person to convey the idea probably wasn’t the best idea
oh no, I definitely agree considering we have basically one sea in terms of AO’s story
AA’s story needed improvement, but it was still quite good all things considered
it doesnt
AA is peak fiction
he literally has no personality except being “ultra giga super duper mega op” 
he has a personality of regret, anger at himself and ultimately insanity
he develops depression after he accidently destroys his kingdom, and ultimately this allows hades (who is the villain of the AU for wtv reason…) to move in and corrupt his mind beyond repair