marks as solution
Anyways, I would love to do that, but… I’d have to become one of those meta abusers.
I’d have to be them.
Well yeah, if you’re playing with PvP on you’re expected to have at least a decently viable build for PvP
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the logic is if you dont want to be hunted then turn off pvp, tas it
thats literally just how AO pvp is, people abusing every advantage, potions, and numbers to win. and when you have a fat bounty they will be even more inclined to do so
my suggestion: if you want to have 500k+ bounty while being a pacifist, be more aware of your surroundings. everybody now has built-in wallhacks with shift+g sensing, if you see something coming towards you, run or leave the game. if you do this instead of resetting renown, you might just keep your precious, albeit useless big number
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doesn’t work very well, though, as often times, the circle for a person or NPC may choose not to appear.
You also have people wearing the cloak as a cosmetic, as a result of playing the Stealth class, thus making it less viable if used by smart (citation needed) people.
You’re also suggesting to - from what I assume from you repeating what has been said a hundred times and not answering the… not great logic you’ve had recently - “constantly blind yourself to see giant circles”.
Come on. You know that telling people to “use sensing” isn’t going to help if it doesn’t work some of the time, and is otherwise too much like putting on a blindfold and having to assess the speed of a moving circle that may also be covered by other circles.
other types of sensing exist outside of mage sense; however, I only have access to Challenge as my second sense type, due to being a Warlock. This might not help as much as I don’t know how to read this type very well, either.
So… what use is a giant flying circle, again? If I can’t identify immediately “oh this might be friend/foe”, anyways? It’s at least helpful for finding bounties, but I am also going to shoot the next idea down: Using a bounty poster to keep tabs on criminals is insane. I don’t want to constantly hold a compass for the next year just to leave the game if I feel threatened by its direction.
alright then leave the game or just run if tracking giant moving circles is too hard for you. better yet fight back or turn off pvp. im 100% convinced youre just trolling now, if you were, you got me good. well done. good bait
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if only we still had great minds like FridgeUchiha to contribute more to this awesome and serious thread…
No, the logic here is that if you don’t want to be hunted, you don’t turn off pvp, and I understand that part. But if you want to play the game in how you like it, and I know some fellas who likes having high amounts of fame, faces this issue, and you tell them to turn off pvp, it renders them unable to have high amounts of fame, thus you are forcing them to play in a specific way that they do not want to. “Fame is a precious, albeit useless big number” is a statement for some people, however for some others they want to try to make it big without facing the prospect of high end pvp sweats whom use meta setups. After all, some humans like to leave a mark of their existences at a place, whether it be big or small.
It’s basically saying “Don’t play a MMORPG game if you don’t want to play multiplayer” kind of deal. There is a logic to it, but there also isn’t a logic to it.
(Also in regards to shift g, that thing basically blinds you when you use it, making it practically useless when at sea areas where high fame/bounty players are at alongside pirates and whatnot. And it isn’t like you will have it turned on 100 percent of the time, that would make sea navigation five times harder.)
The issue with this line of thinking is that camp markers were just added and effectively combat this entire problem…
As long as you are below 500k renown/bounty.
If you’re above that, you’re assumed to be aiming for the leaderboard because the only reason to even be at 500k if you’re not is to snag some vanity from the proxy or the brotherhood.
I would’ve just told him to do that since it literally solves his entire problem but no he insists on continuing to grow literally the most useless number to grow in the game.
So, they crossed the line from ganking victim to stubborn stupidity when they refused to take the solution to their problem provided by the game itself.
Renown and bounty are explicitly leaderboard points. That’s about 90% of their entire purpose anywhere outside of the range of 1 ↔ -1 (the other 10% is buying golden pearls off of the factions)
If you do not want to climb the leaderboard, do not gather leaderboard points, you will only attract attention that you do not want.
There is a reason that the game gives you the option to burn them.
From my own personal stress testing, camp markers never work cross servers nor do they save, plus, it is not likely the players will remeber to place a camp marker down prior to getting hunted as it usually comes out of nowhere. The ship "on spawn” theoratical fix proposed by this “first draft suggestion” potentially fixes the issue of the ship issue of spawncamping and whatnot.
You didn’t stress test very well then.
I use this to spawn at whitesummit when joining the bronze sea.
You have to interact with the tent after you place it in a location with no obstructions (chests are obstructions)
Basically, if you have to move, break, or open anything to place the tent, that isn’t a valid perm spawn location, you’ll just get booted to the default spawn and told that the game was unable to place the tent.
May or may not also happen if another player happens to have a perm spawn in the same position as yours and joined before you (their tent is now an obstruction)
You will then be prompted to set that at your saved spawn point, which will then have you spawn there instead of, in the case of the bronze sea, the empty corner.
he was the GOAT. unban him to make the forums spicy again
i hate to this, but get over it. its literally a game mechanic that youre forced to turn on pvp (and thus get hunted) if you have high renown.
holy false equivalence
-more accurate comparison: dont try to get on the leaderboards on a video game without expecting competition
i only suggested this because the guy refuses to disable pvp or reset renown, so your only option (besides fighting back) is to run away and being able to see people coming ahead of them would help with that
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Also… yea???
I dunno who would look for a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game for not multiplayer???
Yea don’t play those if you don’t want to deal with people!
…is the exact opposite of my intent, because I don’t intend to “get on the leaderboards,” I just like to see the number go up. It’s like score, I like to see what I can attain through gameplay and what little skill can do in a world like this.
It is a good equivalence. You’re assuming one thing and then attacking that assumption, despite it being another thing entirely, that you’ve been told about multiple times across the entire conversation, making you see it as a bad equivalence.
I think it’s called Presuppositions? I need to look up the term again, I sometimes feel like I’m using it wrong.
Honestly I just join non-clan servers, check if there’s anyone particularly scary or likely to hunt me and change server if there is - otherwise I just go about my day and don’t get ganked
It’s not like I have low bounty either, I’ve got almost a mil
Im going to be real with you, your problem is literally a nothingburger in this situation. Theoretical is actually right here. If you want to keep your 500k renown, then you will have to contend and defend your big number. The system is built for that in mind.
I kinda liked the safer brig thing but all I can say here is that you literally put yourself in that situation and expected less resistance. Of course they are going to use the most meta shit, of course they are going to do really underhanded shit. If you ask me, removing the leaderboard is the best thing that could happen cause we do not have to contend with this system. Or just increase the renown limit, that works too.
All I can say is that you are actually fucking dense. This is coming from a man who PvEs and does like having big number. You should really need to consider if you really want the big number and the hassle it brings. Don’t get me wrong, the system is ass and needs some work, but the intention of the renown system is clear when they added the PvP toggle: Its a PvP feature, straight up. Like come on do you really expect everyone in the leaderboards to be honorable? No, they are gonna farm you regardless if you are doing something like a lost chart or fleet expansion. Either defend the number or turn on the toggle. Besides, if you ask me, leaderboard is just a containment zone and besides I think you shouldn’t be there anyway
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Tossing insults at me during your argument kind of makes me not want to engage you, but fine.
I expected to contend to keep my growing 500k renown, yes. I didn’t expect to see meta abusing players to hunt me relentlessly, though. I expected it to be a gradual upwards start, not high resistance/regen builds that negate any form of combat or builds designed to be completely unavoidable.
The problem is not entirely about them - though their builds should be nerfed, yes.
The problem is about the camping issue - my main argument, which, you’ve begun to completely avoid after giving it a passing mention.
Here’s the passing mention in question. Where you then threw mud at me, after repeating everything said prior, and then went and repeated more of the same, with insults… laiden like landmines in an open field. Not even buried…
I do not believe you intended to argue in good faith. I felt you just wanted to argue for the sake of being able to throw things back at me, and that’s all I could really see of you.
Please don’t come back. I just wanted criticisms and to share my complaints about a situation - not argue over Fame.
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I do think these are all good solutions to prevent harassment in PVP aside from making ships basically have a full on renown shield until you attack first. That doesn’t really make much sense and it would make more sense to be on a timer like the other feature. Also would be easily circumvented by people just making you ram into them. I am in agreement that the PVP in the game can get hella cheesy and have genuinely awful strategies such as camping popping up though so these are solid solutions for at least that. Like I’ve joined in to servers and been immediately assassinated by a whole squad of 2000+ player kill chucklefucks before that somehow have like no renown that you just know for a fact don’t have any real skill. Some Rogue Lineage enjoyer types (in other words they all share one brain cell that squirts out a bit of dopamine every time they basically gangbang someone that’s practically defenseless to death repeatedly).
While I agree that camping is a general issue, your problem in particular is, as zipher said, pretty much a nothingburger.
You have no valid reason to not reset your renown. No, liking a big number isn’t a valid reason, and even if it was, there are plenty others you could work on, rather than choosing the only one that forces you to fight for it.
This is an already solved problem, you just refuse to use the solution.
If you and your brig are just invulnerable, there’s no need to ever arm your cannons or ram unless your ship is physically blocked from moving, which is very unlikely. This literally removes ship combat altogether.
Your other ideas though seem workable to an extent.
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hop off AO and into an incremental game jesus christ
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