okay so is torren actually considered canon now because of this? its so confusing… somebody answer.
if he IS canon then yes. he definitely owned “durandal” before whatever doohickey had happened.
Torren is in a weird state of canoncity where hes both retconned but also exists as an incredibly important figure to something in both the lore and the riddles, someone took his place in the lore in relation to freedrock, think thats as much as we know
Torren is in a unique zone.
The old Torren, aka the berserker/ insane super op guy with the Darkflame Curse is no longer canon, because the Darkflame (and Promethean Fire) curses were just too strong, primarily due to them both having the ability to infinitely grow without reaching a cap.
However, AO seems to be introducing a NEW torren, who shares the name of the old one, however we don’t know what powers he has or his current feats.
And this new Torren is actually the King of his homeland, as opposed to being it’s strongest warrior
i dont think promethean flame did that
its like having a guy with 5 quadrillion dollars or a guy with a million dollars that doubles every day
they both cant be stopped, but one of them starts more powerful and the other can get more powerful
The Promethean fire curse held the abilities of EVERY other GFC.
Yeah but Torren was actively insane, and literally had lost his mind/ could not control himself, whereas Morock had learnt to use the Promethean Fire Curse whilst remaining sane.
In a fight to the death, Morock wouldn’t just win out of being stronger, he’d win from just outsmarting Torren.
Plus it’s more like:
A dude with 5 quadrillion dollars that gets 500k that doubles every day, vs as aguy with a million dollars that doubles everyday, but the second dude is constantly on coke and can’t make logical decisions
“Lets go gambling!”
“Roland” Kingdom
(Old) Lore always points to Freedrock having Durandal.
Yes and no, depends on how you define him. Is “Torren Corvus Cross” the person with the achievements? The Kingslayer? The Mistwalker? Then he is indeed canon.
Is “Torren Corvus Cross” the person with the name ‘Torren’? Then no, he is no longer canon. His name has been changed and vetex always talks as like AO’s Kingslayer is a different person.
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the mistwalker is torrens alter ego 
If you thought Morock got a downgrade, wait until you see who got the mist curse.
Honestly I do wonder what the hell is with Torren, if that even is his name now
He used to be absolute menace, having a curse that, although not the most powerful by default, had an incredibly high potential that would probably allow it to floor Promethean fire curse. He also killed Freedrock who currently goes as the strongest man in the world, but was likely pretty fucking strong back then too. Torren was, in fact, such a threat to the other 10 strongest entities that several of them teamed up to trap him.
But then Darkflame curse was retconned and we know basically nothing about him. Assuming he did still kill Freedrock, we have no idea how he achieved that. All we really know is that he had slain at least one king, had some sort of ‘evil blade’ that may have been the source of his power, may have turned ‘evil’ because of the power he already had, or a bit of both. We don’t know if he ended up sealed away by the rest of the unknowns.
Same would go for King Arthur. We just don’t know much about who these lore characters even are anymore.
I bet freedrock looks nothing like he used to.
Isn’t king Arthur just Arthur Cursebeard, captain of the One Shot pirates, the most powerful man alive?
We do know that he raided the huge merchant ship Borealis, conquered the fortress known as Alalea of the third sea and likely had the most curse users under his command out of any organization or kingdom. We also know he lead his crew into war against Durza over a lawsuit, in which he died. And I believe we also know that he ruled Camelot and was threatened by the Kingslayer, judging by what ghosts say.
That is, unless the retcon hammer has struck once more.
Indeed, but now he’s associated under the name “King Arthur” exclusively (good change) and more associated with Arthurian Mythos. Everything about him seems completely different, besides what he did in the lore doc.
This is probably a dumbass theory, but…
Do you think he became the king by harnessing Durendal’s power at some point?
well yeah its just
brown hair
purple shirt
eyepatch
King Arthur and Arthur Cursebeard are the same but they refer to different periods.
King Arthur = The Arthur that likely ruled over the Britons during the Golden Age of Magic, was the strongest mage, and third party’d the Promethean-Zeus war to obtain the curses.
Arthur Cursebeard = The Arthur that became obsessed and hyper-greedy over Curses, along with becoming the leader of the One Shot Pirates, and then semi-becoming a King again, through Alalea.
Not really. Even with the amount of power Torren got via beating Freedrock several times (since he grows stronger during battle), Torren was only ever the 7th unknown, whereas Morock was the 5th Unknown.
Yes, I’m using the Unknowns as a measure of power, since these are both decanonised characters that were created at the time the Unknown Power system was in use.
Plus, the Promethean Fire Curse also has the powers of the other GFC, so the expanding Darkflame would just eventually be outmatched by a brighter, more expanding, more hot, more explosive and stronger fire
*Toned down
Promethean fire curse was the most powerful by default and did have the properties of other curses, but they were weaker than those of their pure counterparts. As such, darkflame’s power gain was probably still greater than Promethean fire’s.
Also, keep in mind that we don’t know when Morock got his curse and when Torren got it, back when both curses were still canon. We also don’t know when was Torren sealed away exactly so, in that time, it’s entirely possible Morock outgrew Torren’s power simply because he could gain power, while Torren couldn’t.
But the retcon hammer has struck.
Torren got his Curse before the Fracture, as he was from Ian’s Cross.
Morock is stated to have been a member of the OSP, and had gotten his curse AFTER his membership, at which point he left.
So yeah, Torren had it for longer, and Morock was still stronger
No Torren was stronger Vetex has no idea about his lore
Darkflame glazing 100
Oh but maybe, just maybe, it’s because the AG was constantly yeeting ships at Morock? Perhaps Torren only eradicated towns as a hobby and didn’t care that much about it, while Morock had to be competing with the AG for the most attrocities commited?