Promethean Fire is probably stronger, but honestly Morock doesn’t have the experience.
Morock 100% has the experience.
Morock was able to (mostly) control the inherent bloodlust of the GFCs, and was smart enough to realize he could utilise the most amount of his power + avoid becoming insane by using a sword.
Torren was fucking stupid enough to give in to the rage of the Darkflame curse, at which point he got sealed by 5 unknowns
He was canonically too lazy for the Promethean Fire curse turn him crazy.
He’s a flawed character, and that’s what makes him great.
Torren was just mentally weaker. He would have never beat Morock, even if he had the strength, his willingness to just give into the temptation of rage would have lead to his death to Morock.
Morock was on paper a freedom fighter, who fought the AG at a time when they were the hegemon of the Seven Seas; But tbf when Morock went into fights, he somewhat became bloodlusted
My brother in Christ he had anger issues so bad he destroyed the entire legendary Golden Armada and almost murdered 4 (? could be more) high ranking officers of the AG
No, he did that because the AG was being near despotic in their rule over most of the Seven Seas
somewhat unrelated to this conversation, but related to the thread:
I NEED THIS UNPRIVATIZED, THIS IS LITERALLY THE SOURCE FOR 90% OF OLD ARCANE POWER-SCALING AND ITS PRIVATE 
can’t even link it cuz it’s private 
screenshot of the url:
Why do we even bother honestly since both their curses were retconned and Torren’s canonicity remains questionable
Like Morock doesn’t even have Promethean fire curse anymore, it’s more likely to be Aethereal flame instead, that Darkflame can definitely clap, except there is no Darkflame either
This information is vital for the future…
I maybe in the future might compile all Old Arcane lore into something, and try make a cohesive storyline that merges all Arcane Lore (AO, WoM timeline, Old AA, Webcomic, AR)
Good luck with that considering every other week Vetex just chips in on a random post and says something like “Oh king Nero actually destroyed Camelot but was fended off by Warren” and updates the Lorio Docugliff every 900 years, with the Void century included
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Was Freedrock always this significant in an oddly specific way?
I think he used to just be the Radius Fist guy mentor and was way more powerful than he was letting on thanks to his Lazarus Curse. Am I wrong?
Freedrock was always implied to have some deep lore, primarily due to how he managed to get an Experimental Curse;
And Freedrock was always tied to Torren,(aside from the death-loop) I believe both were bounty hunters at some point?
bro what? Where is this even coming from?
Nothing the ghosts say suggest Kingslayer had anything to do with Arthur, there’s only two dialogues related to him and both of them are just being ominous about his identity
Nah, he has another legendary sword for that ( I will hunt vetex down if he doesn’t make Excalibur canon to the lore, HE MADE MERLIN CANON SO WHY ISN’T EXCALIBUR CANON YET)
I mean Durendal and the King somewhat (loosely) share a time-window to coexist.
The King is Visigothic, so he would exist at the same time Roland and Durndal would exist as they’re Frankish. Both are also Germanic Tribes that settled and established Kingdoms in France.
But they are I believe 200 years apart, though that could be ignored through Magic extending lifetimes
You’re right, that was about lord Lancelot being in some way threatened by a completely different and powerful figure, Agravain
If that Agravain is a person, as it may also be a city or something, I think it’s not a far stretch to assume he had either the inferno curse or at least inferno magic, at least when he fought lord Lancelot. I’d say it’s suggested Lancelot was defeated in the battle. It also may be him who had the inferno magic or curse when he fought Agravain.
Okay, here are all possible theories:
Agravain was the original inferno curse wielder. He fought Lancelot and lost.
Agravain was an inferno magic wielder. He fought Lancelot and lost.
Agravain was the original inferno curse wielder. He fought Lancelot and won.
Agravain was an inferno magic wielder. He fought Lancelot and won.
Lancelot was the original inferno curse wielder. He fought Agravain and won.
Lancelot was an inferno magic wielder. He fought Agravain and won.
Lancelot was the original inferno curse wielder. He fought Agravain and lost.
Lancelot was an inferno magic wielder. He fought Agravain and lost.
Lancelot was the original inferno curse wielder. He attacked the city of Agravain and won.
Lancelot was an inferno magic wielder. He attacked the city of Agravain and won.
Lancelot was the original inferno curse wielder. He attacked the city of Agravain and lost.
Lancelot was an inferno magic wielder. He attacked the city of Agravain and lost.
I personally would exclude Agravain being a city, as I think the citizens would be far more worried about a powerful individual. I’d also exclude Lancelot winning, as the way ghosts speak, it seems he lost. Finally, I also think Agravain was the one with inferno magic or curse, as it seems the citizens saw Lancelot as their hero, and Lancelot could probably command the fire not to hurt them.
this is what i think, warren lancelot
He is a person, he is Knight Agravain of the Roundtable.
Though he is often described as evil and malicious, he is not actually a traitor.
Lancelot is, however, a traitor. He was one of, if not the strongest of Arthur’s knights before they eventually had a falling out. Agravain was the one to discover Lancelot’s betrayal and planned to ambush him with many other knights, but Lancelot, being the strongest, was able to kill all of them and then flee.
This is likely the most correct interpretation.
Though the ghost addresses him with a formal title, it still makes sense because even if Lancelot was a traitor they would still respect him for his power.
With the newly acquired info, a new theory:
Lancelot was a wielder of inferno magic, or curse, and was plotting a betrayal, maybe the same one described in the legends, maybe something else such as murder of king Arthur.
Agravain learned of that and attempted to kill Lancelot. However, this ended in his defeat as traitorous Lancelot overpowered him and destroyed the city.
My headcanon is that Lancelot was favored by gods who wanted him to kill king Arthur.
If he did have the Curse, that would be on his list of priorities. Could even have been how Arthur discovered the problem with the Grand Fire Curses.
There is an issue that came to my mind though.
Aren’t grand fire curses so powerful, when their owner dies they shoot out of their body? That happened to Promethean fire curse at least, possibly to Aethereal flame curse now that Morock has it.
If that is the case, then either Lancelot only had the magic, Warren only had the magic, or the two of them are the same person.
I seriously doubt the last one, and if we assume Warren had his life extended a ton thanks to magic, it is possible that Lancelot did have the curse.
In any case, neat theory.
Perhaps Prometheus’s rage took over Lancelot’s mind when he got the inferno curse, so he decided to try killing king Arthur. However, Agravain tried to stop him and, although he was defeated, the destruction of town caught Arthur’s attention and he learned of the betrayal and Grand fire curses.