Effects of Hecate Essence on the magic-less

no, because I do not have it. :pensive:

As long as its executed well (not hecate essence not hecate essence not hecate essence) I’d be fine to enter the 7th range.

It mentions scrolls so I’d like to see the date of that screenshot to see if it’s before or after the overhaul of magic lore

I found this in the Mistral Patch Notes thread. Yeah it’s outdated but if we don’t have anything newer then this is what I’m sticking with.

Still the point of “but that’s how base magics are learned” doesn’t really work when we don’t have any proof that’s how base magics are learned anymore

The lore doc doesn’t contradict it, it sounds like this is still how it works.
MostMagesOnlyLearn3

My point isn’t “Two things can’t have the same obtainment method,” that would be stupid.

My main point is that “studying the magic you want to mutate to and trying to replicate it” doesn’t work, because it has to be a very specific magic and you have no idea which one you’re supposed to study since it’s dependent on old guys from your ancient bloodline that aren’t in recorded history. Imagine studying a mutation for years only to realize it’s probably not in your bloodline. Imagine studying mutations only to find you have none in your bloodline.

And the reason I brought up base magics having the same obtainment method as what you’re saying is because I still have no idea where you’re even getting that from, so I assumed that what you thought was the mutation obtainment method was actually the base magic method you were thinking of. I think my assumption is wrong though, making this point irrelevant, so can we move on to my actual main argument, and can you try to find your source or at least say where you got it?

My mistake I misinterpreted it

A screenshot from the patreon chat, which I unfortunately have no way to search for on the forums

All good, sorry if I started sounding aggressive. I could’ve been clearer with what I was trying to say earlier and the confusion wouldn’t have happened.

Any patrons reading this please search for what I was thinking of :pray:

Idk why everyone was so pressed about this like everyone who’s relevant is still relevant and those who aren’t will remain irrelevant.

so anyone can get majik huh

Not very in tune with current lore but, from a genetics standpoint wouldn’t this specific thing not be a problem, since given a long enough period of time almost everyone would have a great deal of wizard ancestors with mutated magic, like how a ton of nobility is descended in some way from Charlemagne or some other famous person.

Mutations in bloodlines seem to be really widespread at this point. Lesser lost magics working their way into normality for mages in the War Seas is basically proof of this, but also just the fact that these lineages are almost 2000 years old and given that people with mutations are probably gonna be stronger a decent number of them probably survived the fracture as well and their blood is probably really prominent in the now much smaller mage populations. Mages are already somewhat rare so if a lot of the survivors were people with mutations than a lot of modern mages are more than likely part of those bloodlines.

As for how they would learn it, Vetex has said awakenings for magic, like getting the second magic, are canon, so maybe they just awaken in a similar fashion? The mutation is likely gonna be similar to their base so they have a good foundation already.

1 Like

Do you have any idea what exactly was said? Any particular words I can search for?

If WoM was made within AO’s continuity, then Flare Magic would have become a Lesser Lost Magic because of Iris.

No not really, something about how mutations are unlocked through study instead of the old system after the Hecate changes

Maybe? Magius was raised from the ruins of the seven seas if I recall correctly. Both Iris being born with a lost magic, and the lesser losts being integrated into the base magics have only happened in the War Seas. Even if the seven seas’ magic is progressing as well it’s a bit slower than the War Seas. I guess that kinda works though cause although flare and other losts hadn’t become base magics the lesser losts had. Though iirc magic was also supposed to be weaker or less common or something in magius so I guess it doesn’t entirely work right with new lore in mind. I guess that’s fine since WoM isn’t canon anyways, but it’s a neat idea anyways.

Technically since the Thorne Empire migrated to Magius, it could be possible.

Maybe, although the Thorne part is really where things between WoM and canon lore start to conflict cause iirc John Thorne was just already there when the Peacekeeper raised up magius and he clearly is not in canon. Not unless he just kinda ditched the rest of Thorne to go to the seven seas and make his own Thorne empire there. Which I don’t think he knows if there’s any other sea clusters in canon.