Electron Magic Rant

Right, so I usually try to keep a level headed appearance on the forums. I try to be academic and measured in my discussion of lore. I will try to keep such a tone in this post, however, I may descend into madness occasionally, because, what is this? Why is it, how is it, why is it called Electron Magic? Note, that while I spent far too much time on this, I should say my grievances aren’t too serious. Vetex is obviously free to do what he wants. However, I enjoy being pedantic about etymology.

Electron magic is described as “a teal and red lightning that leaves behind clouds of burning air,” (Vetexgames). This honestly does make sense, since electrons are responsible for causing lightning. That’s perfectly fine, no problems there. The problem comes from the name itself.

Electrons are a very specific term, it describes a type of quanta known as a lepton that constructs atoms and gives them either positive or negative charges based on abundance. This means that since Electron Magic is an ancient magic the people during the golden age must have known about electrons? Right?

Except for the fact that, is impossible. The term electron was not used until 1891, nearly forty years after/one hundred forty years before the main story of Arcane Odyssey takes place (depending on whether or not the century gap really matters in terms of progress).
To even conceive of the concept of electrons the ancients must have had three things. Knowledge of electricity, a way to capture hydrogen gas, and complicated enough glass making to create cathode ray tubes. Seeing as the Dark Sea was created around the early one thousands post magic, there is no way that hydrogen could even be first discovered until after the Dark Sea’s creation. This is because hydrogen was first observed in 1520 when the alchemist Paracelus dissolved metal in hydrochloric acid.

Now granted the progression of alchemy to this point may be possible, after all alchemy began in Hellenistic Egypt and was responsible for much of humanity’s metallurgic and chemical progress. Which explains how acid magic is a thing, and may have resulted in the discovery of hydrogen. However, that still doesn’t explain where they got electricity, or rather enough electricity to do a cathode ray tube experiment.

There is no evidence that the ancients had electricity, sure they had lightning magic, however, it is doubtful they understood things such as circuits or conductors. This is evident by the fact that no evidence of electrical equipment exists within the Dark Sea. Now one may argue that the Dark Sea would have worn away any such equipment, except for the fact there are still, albeit crumbling, stone structures over eight hundred years after its creation. If those stones could weather eight centuries of wind and water erosion, there’s a very good chance that any electrical equipment would have as well. The most advanced technology that has been found in the Dark Sea are brigs and cannons.

There is still the possibility electrons may have been observed during the Golden Age, if somehow an acid mage had dissolved a metal mage’s attack and the resulting gas was then struck by a lightning spell. However, not only is this an unlikely occurrence, it’s not as if the three are going to stop their battle to think about what they just did.

Defiantly not the first time Vetex used a term that hasn’t been invented yet for magic (Atomic Magic)

Lightning magic is just a bunch of electrons at a high voltage.
Presumably Electron Magic is a bunch of electrons at extremely high quantities but lower voltage.

Meaning instead of a singular burst of power, it’s a greater level of energy over time instead of all at once.

Anyways, apparently Latin has translations for these things:
electron → electronica
atomic → nuclei

Whether or not these were used for these things, who knows. I’m going to check Greek now. Greek has them.
Electron → Ηλεκτρόνιο
Atomic → Ατομικός (can mean a few other things)

Yeah but they’re recent additions. And thats MODERN Greek, not classical Greek, which is what AO’s “Greek” Cultures would be based on. Either that or a more Romanized Greek, but even then, not Modern Greek

Okay, but the problem is is that the term electron is derived from the word ion. Which while ion was a term first used in 1834, did not exist in the time of the Golden Age, which again would have been around the early 1000s post magic. As for atomic, that’s not an issue, except in its use in relation to explosions. Atomic theory, the theory that everything is made up of atoms, was around since the late 400s BC. However, neither atomic or nuclear were connected to explosions until the mid 1900s.

Electron is a very specific term, even if we were under the assumption that the story was a translation of the language the people in the AU were speaking, there’s no other concept that electron would connect to. Same with nuclear and atomic within the specific contexts of atomic and explosion magic.

Malevolent Storm Magic :smiling_imp:

atomic magic isn’t about explosions, it was about deconstruction and reconstruction

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I think it was stated somewhere that, for instance, light magic isn’t actually light, but magic energy taking the form of light (which is a whole other wormhole we could dive down if we discuss physics & arcane odyssey). Hence we can assume electron magic isn’t actually electrons, but magic energy taking the form of electrons.

I did a bit of reading on where the word itself was derived from, leading me to the greek word ἤλεκτρον (elektron), meaning amber, due to it already being known that small threads & dust stick to amber resin (which we know is due to static electricity).

So surely, we can assume that electron magic was named in the exact same fashion as J.J Thomson named the electron we all know today, whoever coined the magic took the name from the translation for amber, because the magic possessed electrostatic properties.

ah, well that actually makes sense.

In that case wouldn’t it make more sense to name it like Alchemic Lightning, since Alchemy is a thing in the AU lol

Not really, since atomic theory was a thing in ancient Greece, long before alchemy.

Atom comes from the greek word ἄτομος (atomos), meaning indivisible, hence it being about construction and deconstruction makes alot more sense compared to explosions given the time period.

More lightning magic yay!

atomic magic was literally just a lightning magic variant tho lol
(it was blaze magic with extra steps)

wait weve been given a description of atomic?

its in the AO trello’s magic section thing
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That’s electron not atomic

That’s not atomic bruh

wait im so lost did you just say atomic and electron are the same thing :sob:

bro im confused also i thought they were the same thing for a sec :skull:

Oh in that case Atomic magic’s description should be with other descriptions of AA’s mutations