Do I think that Cursebeard was correct in creating the curses? No, honestly I think that giving humans access to that much free destructive power is arrogance and avarice to the extreme. He wanted to be greater than the Olympians, and granted they weren’t doing the best job of things. I.E giving humanity magic in the first place. Honestly all Cursebeard did was exacerbate an already terrible situation. There’s also the fact that without the existence of curses (and speculatively the war of the gods) Acheron would have never existed. That’s my feelings on the matter anyways.
Counterpoint, he gave us 4 good games and a future book series
True, but I’m looking at this from a watsonian perspective. Not doylist. Though I am indeed thankful for Arthur’s contributions to the story.
What does that mean I was making a joke
“Watsonian” and “Doylist” are general terms in media analysis that allow one to specify the framework through which one is tackling a question: whether one is looking at a narrative conundrum through the lens of the author (Doylist) or in the context of the fictional world in which the narrative takes place (Watsonian)." (atundratoadstool).
Work cited
atundratoadstool. “Where Wild Flowers Grow of Their Own Accord.” Tumblr, 27 Sept. 2022, What do people mean by Watsonian and Doylist interpretations of Dracula? – @atundratoadstool on Tumblr. Accessed 14 Sept. 2024.
now defend captain maria
But humans do have magic
Bro didn’t read the intro slideshow 
oh, right.
it’s just rarer or something
No it’s just humans forgor how to use it
I’m pretty sure frisks time rewinding from determination counts as magic
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story of undertale
look at this cool duck
No need to defend them or anything they’re just here to flex
defend rb1
@BronzePegasus Could you defend The Gods? And to be more exact - one their action. They have started a some kind of “civil war” when their opinions regarding giving magic to humans splitted. Most of them were related to eachother with a family ties, but they have burned all of that instead of searching for compromise…
Have you done Zeus?
Also has anything changed for Prometheus in how you would defend him after the recent lore doc changes?
Rb1
Nah, I don’t know what they’ve done in game, and I honestly don’t care about drama from before my time. Also again, I’m not defending community members for community actions.
The War of the Gods
Listen, they are the only beings that can truly claim divine right to rule. Giving humans a bit of the power they used would be like a dictator allowing himself to be voted out of power. So the decision to give magic was very controversial. This is compounded by the fact that many of the deities would have been able to see the writing on the wall. Apollo, the fates, and various oracles throughout the lands. Despite this they went through with it and suffered the consequences, and honestly … I don’t think there could have been a compromise. Arthur wanted the power of the gods, and if you were a deity you needed to comply or get destroyed by the ever growing army of both mortal and immortal beings. I don’t blame Poseidon and Apollo for defecting, at the same time I don’t blame Prometheus and rest for fighting against Arthur’s ambition. Humans were never meant to have curses, it was not their right, and I don’t think they were even meant to exist. Overall, nobody was right on either side of this conflict, the Olympians shouldn’t have given magic to humans and Arthur should never have sought out curses. Unfortunately they did, and their consequences have stretched far beyond the original conflict.
Prometheus (Revamp)
Honestly he’s lost some sympathy from me, however, I still believe his actions were justified. He had been imprisoned for at least 678,076 years (on the low end, this is around the latest years that Sinathropus could have developed by the time of 100ad) and each day of that he’s had his liver ripped out. So I’d understand his anger at Zeus and the Olympians. Does this give him the right to overthrow Zeus and make the monumentally catastrophic decision to give magic to humanity? To be fair, it would have been fine if he Hecate had just waited to reform instead of giving humanity ways to create new types of magic. So there, perfectly justified.
Zeus
I can’t really defend him in the AU, because … what has he done? In the actual mythology … Nope, not touching that with a 500ft adamantine rod.
Electron Magic
This is not a defense, this is a cry for help. Why? Why does this exist, even just in hypothetical lists of Ancient magic. Electrons weren’t a known thing and didn’t have a name until around 1891. To even know about electrons the people before The Fracturing would have needed electricity, a way to capture helium, and cathode rays. There is no evidence of this in the Dark Sea and nowhere is this stated in the lore, and before anyone says that it’s a translation. An electron is an extremely specific thing, and there’s no other concept that it could be ascribed to. So what is it? Why is it? How is it? Someone please explain.
Edits: Better formating
But is it truly an excuse for the things done?
Besides, I see Prometheus as one of the main criminals of this story. He gave people fire, after it he was tortured for doing that. Then he gave people magic and… again without any voting with other gods, he just did it because he wanted to.
It was already something illegal, but gods chose to leave it this way and watch on how things will turn out. Eventualy the situation got derailed even further, up to the point of civil war between gods.
Were there truly no other ways?
Okay so I was going to look for the bit of the Lore Doc that said they voted, but I can no longer find it. Regardless, this dissertation isn’t to excuse their actions it’s to justify them. I don’t really deal with what-ifs outside of what a character may have been thinking during certain decisions.
Also he already had overthrown Zeus, so his word was law at this point. If he wanted to give humanity magic it was his right.
Can you justify this man’s actions
Oh, but may I know what “justifying” means in this case? I can’t really see an example of the situation, when something cannot be justified.