Seems a little dumb to gift people weapons and then not proceed to make like a rare ore to make more weapons with… but I digress…
I guess the gods lacked the foresight to realize “hmmmm maybe this burnt hammer and this rusty worn down piece of garbage we blessed might need repairs or replacements down the line…”
well no, the point isn’t that any average joe can make a spirit weapon, they’re special. stuff like iron is for the plebians who didn’t do something to get gifted a relic.
I mean how special though because frankly it seems like the gods sort of just blessed anything all willy nilly
It even seems DUMBER that they didn’t teach humans how to make their own lower grade weapons but alright 
bro zeus didn’t even wanna give the people fire, why would he give them easy access to powerful weapons equal to or greater than fire?
Look at Khalida’s bracelet and tell me with a straight face that whatever god blessed that cheap ass armband wasn’t just taking a piss
Well magic lets you use fire powers and things thousands of times more destructive but literally almost anyone can use it so long as you have the genes… or whatever
we don’t know a single thing about khalida’s relic bracelet.
and zeus didn’t want people to use magic either
Yeah I’m sure this stupid little piece of rusty metal from party city was actually an ancient gift for a powerful warrior who bested a fearsome dragon in battle
Well he clearly didn’t care enough to undo it so why do they care so much about relics
The floodgates already opened, why not just make it so maybe like, Prometheus also gifted humans like “Psychium” or something and it’s like a really rare ore found deep underground or in the dark sea idfk
he can’t undo it, this is basic greek mythology, if he could undo it then people wouldn’t have access to fire still
aurem? I’m not saying they can’t implement relic metal, I’m saying they don’t want to
Okay well then I don’t see why we’re arguing
Just slightly tweak the lore so Prometheus also released the mysterious spirit mcguffin into the hands of humanity along with his other gifts.
why do that to the perfectly good relic lore?
Because in all honesty the lore isn’t like… that good or clear?
There’s a lot of stuff we don’t understand about them and if arcanium exists I don’t see why there can’t be a spirit equivalent
In an attempt to get the discussion back on topic, adding a mysterious spirit metal or whatever could help oracles out by giving them something equivalent to like, old grade weapons for warriors, just really weak things that have survived the wear and tear of time but still function as ways to channel spirit energy, they just lack the elemental attunement that god blessed ones do.
arcanium is essentially just magic rust, it’s not even an intentional perk of the gift of magic
@Divanochi can you move this debate?
I mean relics at the end of the day seem to have two components to them:
-the god’s power
-the player’s power
Why not just make a convenient ore that lets you bypass the god part so you can use rites and whatnot, but they lack elemental synergies?
It could also maybe help to make them look kind of crappy so it remains in the lore that most people aren’t oracles because they don’t realize the metal exists or something and it’s like a niche lost art idfk
why do you want it to be just like arcanium insyead of being unique like it is?
Mainly just for gameplay purposes… I cannot stand how in order to just have a complete loadout you need to fight minibosses with all sorts of problems when it comes to things like drop rates and spawning issues… also because it doesn’t seem like the idea of making a spirit metal some kind of rare and obscure natural thing that acts as a way to make more relics in the modern day hurts the lore for relics much, if anything, it can make them more interesting as it means oracles can use the spirit metal items or the anomalies that have been blessed by gods and lack the metal present within them
Sometimes, uniqueness isn’t a strength
Something can also be uniquely bad or tedious
Giving oracles more parity both gameplay wise and lore wise to the other stats would be a healthy decision in my opinion
I think it would also be encouraging for more people to try out the stat while still keeping the whole “mysterious rare energy powers” vibe to it, afterall, they could totally notice the drastic quality increase from using a crappy poor-grade psychium gauntlet to something like the tidestone band
I remember vetex said that he would add a way for oracles to get spirit weapons easily early game but he either forgot or scrapped it i think
this post is so eye opening because ive had zero problem with obtaining relics
most of my files have multiple of every relic (except eagle patrimony obviously) just from playing the game and not even trying to hunt the minibosses
1/50 (2%) drop chance[1], good luck.
these are Calvus’ rates when looking for only one of his items ↩︎
having a variety in difficulty for obtainment is a good thing.
