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Listen.
Titans are pears.
Olympians are rose flowers.
They are both gods/roses.
However, we will refer to Olympians simply as gods, because the first thing that comes to mind when you hear “roses” is rose flowers.
Meanwhile, while Titans are also gods, pears are not the first thing that comes to mind when you hear “roses”.
It is literally simply because, when you hear of Greek gods, you first think of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hera, Athena, Aphrodite etc., not Chronos, Rhea, Iapetus etc., so, if we’re referring to a Titan, we will mention that this god in particular is a Titan, not an Olympian.
i thought it was because they’re an older generation or something
this analogy is getting more confusing as this goes on 
save me from this fruity flowery deity hell
edit: tho i wanna say that this “refer to this god as a titan not a god” thing has it’s nuances as for example nyx is referred to as a goddess most of the time. even in ao with the staff of night. same with hekate. if you wanna make this more complicated there’s also daimons like morpheus hypnos i’d say eros (as aphrodite’s son) is technically a daimon. technically nymphs are daimons which are gods just lesser. you could even say sirens are daimons and satyrs in a way as they’re magical spirits… i think. then again my knowledge on greek mythology is quite shit if I’m being real (a crime ik) I’m more knowledgeable on the actual religion not the mythology sadly so maybe some of the religious bias is slipping in lol
is that not what i said? it is. the titans came before the olympians yet both are gods. it’s quite simple imo
First thing that comes to mind when you say “Greek gods” is the Olympian pantheon, not the titans. Thus, to avoid potential confusion with Olympians, we specify that a Titan is, in fact, a Titan, instead of just saying “god”.
it’s really not that hard to understand
in greek myth there were 3 different generations
primordial
titans
olympian gods
they were all deities with godlike powers, some more than others but they were all called something different
Zeus would be the god of the heavens because he is from the third generation hence he is classified as a god
Kronos however would be classified as Titan of the Heavens since he is from the second generation and hence classified as a titan
Ouranous would be the heavenly Primordial or the sky primordial (the sky and heaven were regarded as interchangeable) because he is considered a primordial being
Deity would be the blanket term for the greek deities
yea but since they’re not the current generation that’s why
chapter 8 sounds peak
yeah i know this 
i’m not stupid tho it is quite complicated when we get to gods like eros who can be both primordial and ouranic depending on who you ask or what source you’re talking about like in the theogony he is primordial but everywhere else afaik he’s the son of aphrodite and ares ofc and then there’s dionysus who is an Olympian and not? well most of the time he IS an Olympian the issue comes with hestia is she an Olympian or not? there are 12 olympians and sometimes she’s there instead of dionysus it’s really whatever you prefer ig
what do you mean here lol. the gods are gods no matter what uh i think that… actually imma be honest i have no fucking idea what differentiates the gods from daimons or lesser gods LOL i have no idea this is really complicated and sadly i don’t have a classics degree
yes obviously. my point was that the titans are still gods. you can refer to them as gods too that was my whole point ig some people just prefer to refer to them exclusively as titans which is fine but they are still gods.
my point was that the titans are still gods lol bcuz i thought people didn’t understand that i’m sorry if my wording was bad
gods and titans are different but they are both greek deities
did you even read what i said or are you just gonna keep quoting out of context
this can really be simplified to one thing
any deity born after Kronos is a god/olympian.
the sources of greek myth will differ but that’s because there are just many different stories, they don’t all form a coherent story and we don’t have to pretend they do.
born after kronos and literally a son of zeus, how would he not be a god?
thats why the broader term of god is used for any deity born after kronos
no??? she left the olympians despite being a god because she didn’t want the gods to fight over who had to give a seat. the problem with not considering any gods not part of the 12 olympians not an olympian is that that makes a bunch powerful gods like hades and Hestia “lesser gods”.
tldr?
god = any being born after kronos
titan = any being not born from chaos who was born before kronos
shrimple really
how it feels to open this thread just to see no vetex screenshots but its just idiots argueing over lore or greek mythology that isnt hard to understand
tbf this is hopw we come to a consensus on alot of the lore
if we want to piece together shit we outta put our heads together
islands are islands, literally every island in arcane adventures was english because vetex made the game when he was 16-18 or some shit
this was before he had a lore directive for the game
blackreach isnt a skyrim reference, originally it was supposed to be in a “world of magic revamp” project but i dont even know if thats a real thing anymore because i cant find anything on it Studio Build: Asterios Labyrinth
dont overthink that islands that have a greek prefix or a greek meaning were originally some big order/sos (seekers of sight) facility. for fucks sake when the game released there was barely ANY greek reference aside from the books in myriad and poseidon.
the whole reason why it was prometheus giving humans magic was because prometheus was supposed to give humans fire but instead he gave humans magic thus branching the timeline into the arcane universe.
there was no islands in AA with a greek meaning/prefix because when arcane adventures was being made vetex didnt even have a lore directive for when the game was being made.
wtf do you want to be added so it feels like a greek mythology based game, its supposed to be a mixture of whats basically one piece and greek myth. also the gods being dead is only because of cursebeards story. this mf literally waged war on celestial entities because he wanted to be stronger honorable mention, alternate universe, the gods could be weaker
there is no such thing as an “og” lore. literally shit was only added to it, the place where humans were originally given magic honestly doesnt fucking matter its just a thing mentioned in the story. also theos’s town is called dunwich now
saying the plates split “perfectly” is a little bit of an overexaggeration since overtime islands can literally change in shape and size and new islands can also just form from volcanoes.
this is the only time i’ll agree with you. the sky islands forming is just utter fucking bullshit like there is no way a perfectly sized mound of dirt landed on the right side of a cloud that just so happens to be perfectly the same size
what the fuck do you want on every island? a rotting decaying sailboat or a random stone structure??? mostly any structure you would find from the dark sea is from the old world (before the fracture)
I mean like, the name itself being a skyrim reference, like I know asterios labyrinth exhists but blackreach seems like an odd coincidence that’d make sense
Not true anymore lol read the lore doc prometheus gives humans fire anyway but then “someone” frees him and gives him the authority to steal another god’s domain
Though i do wanna say that i think vetex should be more transparent about this game being practically a one piece fanfic. I understand your points though vetex always says “this is a game based entirely on greek mythology everything in lore can be explained with it” and if this is what he says i’ll treat it like that. Honestly i could be here all day and night comparing ao’s worldbuilding and giving my critiques and comparing it to other greek myth inspired games but i’d die of old age before i’d be done. Simply i wish AO felt more like a greek mythology inspired game and that’s all because it’s not enough rn imo
And my point about the fracture was that it needs a better explanation because as it is rn imo it makes 0 sense. Acheron’s attack (if this was logical) would’ve turned the earth into a molten rock and everyone would be dead. Not neatly split it into little islands (using “neatly” as in “not turning the earth into molten rock”). I hope vetex explains it better
My point here was about the fracture not making sense. I’m fine with the structures but their existence makes 0 sense because again if the fracture was logical and realistic the earth would’ve been blown up and no neat little structures would’ve survived anything (again vetex please explain the fracture better bcuz rn it’s nonsense) also wood can’t survive a thousand or whatever years in constant water so the wooden boats and boxes on dark sea islands ahouldn’t exist or should be a sludge
i don’t particularly get why you’re so hellbent on the titans not being gods as you refer to them as “titans” and then if a deity is a titan they’re not a god. you said “any deity born after Kronos is a god/olympian” which… yes… obviously. duh. though what do you mean by “is a god”. are the gods before the olympians not gods? because they very much are. see now we circle back to my og point uuuh where i basically observed how most people don’t understand that titans are gods. the olympians are gods. it makes no difference to refer to a titan/olympian as a god or vice versa (i guess). you refer to Rhea for example as the mother of the olympians and you say she’s a titaness of course. BUT she is still a goddess a “mother goddess” (tbh idk her domain cuz I’m not familiar with titans personally) or hekate is an easier example. she is a titaness but everybody refers to her as a goddess. she is the goddess of magic witchcraft crossroads all that fun witchy stuff. so titans ARE gods just as the olympians are gods.
THEREFORE your point of any deity born after kronos being a god is just redundant because like… a deity is a god. deity is just another word for god/goddess. the gods are a very broad term when it comes to the greek ones. like nymphs are goddesses circe is a goddess so the line is very blurry between “spirit” and “god” like are satyrs gods? most people would say no which is fair but why? idk tbh. they’re just not and it’s very very difficult to explain this as it is EXTREMELY complicated.
now my point about Dionysus. so dionysus isn’t always depicted as being an Olympian. it depends on the source. just like how sometimes he’s born out of zeus’ thigh cuz semele wanted a look at “real zeus” or how he’s the son of persephone sometimes too. (though don’t quote me on this i haven’t read up on dionysus’ mythology in months lol). also i never said he’s not a god. that’s dumb dionysus IS a god. why? uh good question idk he’s more powerful than your average satyr ig (joking). what makes a god a god? good question idk how to answer it but dionysus is a god rhea is a goddess hekate is a goddess (that’s even stated in ao look at HE) prometheus is a god kronos is a god hermes is a god pan is a god like it really depends on how much status and power they hold like your average satyr holds none but nymphs are goddesses… sometimes for some reason
bleh no “god” is used for any deity as deity = god
lol no. that’s a modern take it’s literally on damn Wikipedia my guy 3 seconds of research.
the reason why it was either hestia or dionysus is purely religious from what i know. hestia was widely widely worshipped as she was EXTREMELY important but her cult was mostly at homes with families cuz she was “living in the hearth”. so there weren’t really any temples to her she was just kinda a given you know? compared to dionysus who had more of a presence in the wider scheme of things. temples to him were everywhere festivals just everything meanwhile hestia was important but like in a different way. who was an Olympian hestia or dionysus depended on who you asked/obv the source
and the whole “lesser gods” spiel is a snooze fest and utter nonsense. if you think a non olympian is less “powerful” that’s nonsense. zeus is scared of nyx. gaia is the earth. helios is more powerful than apollo. hades isn’t an Olympian because he’s chthonic. a lesser god is hypnos or morpheus or the nymphs or… idk deipneus. or dolos for example or literally any other true “lesser deity/god” just because a god is not an Olympian doesn’t mean anything. “olympian” is just the term for the 12 main gods that were/are worshipped lolz and also a generational term as the olympians come after the titans. titan and olympian are both generational terms and they don’t mean a god is more “powerful” like you could argue demeter isn’t all that powerful or even aphrodite if we’re going that route but that doesn’t matter. an Olympian is an IMPORTANT god/deity. that doesn’t mean other gods aren’t gods or aren’t powerful or whatever. the olympians are just the most important simply.
tho tbh my knowledge is shit i need to do more reading on theoi.com but I’m lazy asf
and your last part is not true for reasons above lol so yeah idk i hope i managed to explain this in a way that’s understandable as trust me it’s confusing af for me too
also: “Like most things from Greek mythology, no “definitive” list of the Twelve Olympians existed, it varied according to the place and time period, some places didn’t even have the concept at all.” i just stole this cuz this explains it extremely simply better than i could word
simply the mythology came after the religion and the religion dictates the mythology. if something is this way and not that way it’s because of the religion. why is demeter important and why is she an Olympian? 2 reasons. 1 she is the daughter of kronos (THOUGH SNOOOZE FEST because hestia is also a daughter of kronos yet she’s mostly never depicted as an Olympian because of her religious reasons as i said) and 2. she was extremely important in ancient Greece as the goddess of the harvest like without her you starve so… obviously she’s an Olympian unlike hestia who doesn’t NEED to be an Olympian because everyone worships her no matter what because she’s just there. she’s so important and her worship is so obvious that temples didn’t even exist for her as your home is your temple to hestia (from what i understand as i personally don’t worship her and don’t know how everything was done in ancient Greece as I’m not a classics student not a historian and I’m not a time traveler)