The Knowns

This topic will serve as a list of new unknowns. If you have ideas as to who could be included, put them in the comments. This list will only contain humans and humanoid beings, such as sirens or vastus.
Titans and Olympians are both excluded from this list, as it is simply unreasonable to add them. Acheron is also excluded, as it he was really controlled by Hades, and it wasn’t his power.
“Current list” is extremely unfinished and full of speculations. Refer to specific lists if you want correct information.
Current list:

  1. King Arthur “Cursebeard”
    Wielder of blaze, ice, water and energy curses, known as the greediest and strongest man alive. He defeated Prometheus atop mount Olympus, forcing him to create the elemental curses. He perished in the war against Acheron, falling to the hands of his resurrected best friend, Poseidon.
  2. Warren
    Emissary from Azura province. He is known to have some shape of inferno magic, be it the magic itself, curse inheritance or even the inferno curse itself. He is evenly matched with Wotan “Conqueror”, so much so that, if the two of them ever fought, the battle would end badly for both of them.
  3. King Wotan “Conqueror”
    Ruler of Keraxe and wielder of the wood curse. He is notorious for being a relentless warmonger, never giving up but only being pushed back. He is evenly matched with Warren, so much so that, if the two of them ever fought, the battle would end badly for both of them.
  4. Theos “War Phoenix”
    Legendary guardian of Dunwich and rival of Acheron. He is the wielder of phoenix, sun and fire magic and the strongest wizard alive. He mentored the Peacekeeper, aiming to make them stronger than Acheron. He perished in battle against Prometheus who was resurrected by Acheron.
  5. Freedrock “Wise Warrior”
    Protector of Roland kingdom who perished in a grand battle against king Cross “Kingslayer”, but was resurrected thanks to Lazarus curse given to him by Hera. Since then, he died 583 times, his power increasing by the golden ratio with each resurrection.
  6. King Cross “Kingslayer”
    Former ruler of the Cross kingdom, king Cross, also known as “Kingslayer” and “Mist walker”, fought Freedrock “Wise Warrior” for several days, before finally killing him. He also destroyed his hometown of Athens. Said to have had an evil blade.
  7. Grand Admiral Valencia
    Top commander of the Arcane government and wielder of the shockwave curse. She opposed the One Shot pirates, lead by Arthur “Cursebeard” until they fell apart following Cursebeard war. She took part in battle against Morock Creed “Hound of Gods”, holding him off until his ship broke and he fell into the water and died.
  8. Pirate Morock Creed “Hound of Gods”
    Wielder of aethereal flame curse and a notorious pirate captain. He was an ally of Theos “War Phoenix” until his demise in a great battle in the Third sea, where he killed many high-ranking Arcane Government officers. He met his end when his ship split into two due to the heat of battle and he fell into the sea and died.
  9. King Nero Caesar
    Founder of Ravenna Realm and wielder of apocalypse bringer curse. In order to expand his kingdom, he waged war on the kingdom of Winterveil and dueled its king, Kessler Boreas, in a fight to death on Munera Garden. After killing him, he flew to Winterveil and destroyed it singlehandedly. Currently arrested by Grand Navy due to his crimes.
  10. Prince Thorne “Crown Prince of Thorns”
    Likely prince of Thorne empire that lead Thorne empire’s forces in the battle of Cassia Town. He is described by Zaix to be a monster that appears only once every hundred years. He likely fought Octavious Caesar in battle and won.
  11. King Octavious Caesar
    Former ruler of Ravenna realm who lead Bronze legion’s forces in the battle of Cassia Town. He fought against Thorne “Crown Prince of Thorns” and was killed in the duel. However, he was later resurrected by an experimental curse that landed on his body some time after his death.
  12. Thorne General Avery Walker
    General of Thorne empire’s army, wielder of slash curse and great swordsman. He fought both Zaix and Veridia, killing Veridia and fatally injuring Zaix. According to Zaix, he was in far worse condition after their battle, likely passing away.
  13. Ravennan General Veridia
    General of Bronze legion and a great mage. She often dueled Zaix, winning every time despite only having magic while he had a curse. She fought against Avery Walker and was killed in their duel.
  14. Ravennan General Zaix
    General of Bronze legion, wielder of wave curse and a great martial artist. He often dueled Veridia, losing every time to her magic despite being a great martial artist and wielder of Wave curse. Zaix fought against Avery Walker after he killed Veridia and was fatally injured, however he mentions Avery Walker was in far worse condition.

Battle of Cassia Town:

  1. Prince Thorne “Crown Prince of Thorns”
    Likely prince of Thorne empire that lead Thorne empire’s forces in the battle of Cassia Town. He is described by Zaix to be a monster that appears only once every hundred years. He likely fought Octavious Caesar in battle and won.
  2. King Octavious Caesar
    Former ruler of Ravenna realm who lead Bronze legion’s forces in the battle of Cassia Town. He fought against Thorne “Crown Prince of Thorns” and was killed in the duel. However, he was later resurrected by an experimental curse that landed on his body some time after his death.
  3. Thorne General Avery Walker
    General of Thorne empire’s army, wielder of slash curse and great swordsman. He fought both Zaix and Veridia, killing Veridia and fatally injuring Zaix. According to Zaix, he was in far worse condition after their battle, likely passing away.
  4. Ravennan General Veridia
    General of Bronze legion and a great mage. She often dueled Zaix, winning every time despite only having magic while he had a curse. She fought against Avery Walker and was killed in their duel.
  5. Ravennan General Zaix
    General of Bronze legion, wielder of wave curse and a great martial artist. He often dueled Veridia, losing every time to her magic despite being a great martial artist and wielder of Wave curse. Zaix fought against Avery Walker after he killed Veridia and was fatally injured, however he mentions Avery Walker was in far worse condition.

Sameria-Keraxe war:

  1. Wotan “Conqueror”
    Ruler of Keraxe and wielder of the wood curse. He is notorious for being a relentless warmonger, never giving up but only being pushed back. He is evenly matched with Warren, so much so that, if the two of them ever fought, the battle would end badly for both of them.
  2. Samerian General Akeem
    Strongest general of Samerian army and likely the wielder of storm curse. He could possibly be the most powerful person in Sameria, as Nilah “Leader of Sameria” demanded nobody but him should engage the Fenrir and whichever son of Wotan “Conqueror” may await onboard.
  3. Tiwaz
    One of sons of Wotan “Conqueror” and wielder of frostmetal curse. Not much is known about him, but Warren “Emissary of Azura” calls him and his three brothers extremely capable. Nilah “Leader of Sameria” deems only her top general to be fit of facing him.
  4. Jarson
    One of sons of Wotan “Conqueror” and wielder of lunar curse. Not much is known about him, but Warren “Emissary of Azura” calls him and his three brothers extremely capable. Nilah “Leader of Sameria” deems only her top general to be fit of facing him.
  5. Baldur
    One of sons of Wotan “Conqueror” and wielder of aether curse. Not much is known about him, but Warren “Emissary of Azura” calls him and his three brothers extremely capable. Nilah “Leader of Sameria” deems only her top general to be fit of facing him.
  6. Donar
    One of sons of Wotan “Conqueror” and wielder of lightning curse. Not much is known about him, but Warren “Emissary of Azura” calls him and his three brothers extremely capable. Nilah “Leader of Sameria” deems only her top general to be fit of facing him.
  7. Samerian General Hassan
    Samerian general of whom not much is known. He is likely the most powerful Samerian general, behind Akeem, as Nilah “Leader of Sameria” sees him fit go ambush Keraxe forces on Pefkos alone.
  8. Samerian General Kelia
    Samerian general and heir to Samerian throne. She commands captains Khalida “Royal Guard” and Noor “Royal Guard”. She was sent to Rosenhenge by Nilah “Leader of Sameria” with her two captains to stop Keraxe advances.
  9. Royal Guard Khalida
    Samerian captain, general Kelia’s personal guard and the sole Samerian oracle. She was sent to Rosenhenge with her general to stop Keraxe advances.
  10. Royal Guard Noor
    Samerian captain and general Kelia’s personal guard. He was sent to Risenhenge with her general to stop Keraxe advances.
  11. Samerian General Nasir
    Samerian general, likely the best healer in Samerian army. He was sent to fort Montu to set up an infirmary, due to being good at that.

Ravenna Realm:

  1. King Nero Caesar
    Founder of Ravenna Realm and wielder of apocalypse bringer curse. In order to expand his kingdom, he waged war on the kingdom of Winterveil and dueled its king, Kessler Boreas, in a fight to death on Munera Garden. After killing him, he flew to Winterveil and destroyed it singlehandedly. Currently arrested by Grand Navy due to his crimes.
  2. General Julian
    Wielder of the glass curse. He singlehandedly managed to defeat and arrest the protagonist. During Eternal mines escape, he fought Morden “Curse Thief”, and was extremely evenly matched with him to the point both barely escaped alive.
  3. King Calvus
    Wielder of aether magic and user of apocalypse bringer’s inheritance. He was a genocidal tyrant who hunted down all Winterveil survivors he could find, and served the Order of Aesir. He lost death curse to Morden “Curse Thief” and was killed in Ravenna Castello by the protagonist.
  4. General Argos “Lion of Old Ravenna”
    User of brute strength fighting style. He was an old Ravenna general who fought for Caesar family many long years. As he aged, he shed his muscle mass to stay agile. He lead the Order’s mission to capture Beringer and find death curse. He was killed by the protagonist.
  5. Lady Carina
    Expert martial artist and older sister of lord Elius. She, like her younger brother, was personally trained by general Argos “Lion of Old Ravenna”. She was defeated by the protagonist in the Shining plains.
  6. Lord Elius
    User of lightning magic, great warrior and younger brother of lady Carina. He, like his older sister, personally trained by general Argos “Lion of Old Ravenna”. He participated in the Order’s mission to capture Beringer and find death curse. He was defeated by the protagonist on Djin ruins.

Unsorted: Julian, Argos, Calvus Caesar, Kai, Amelia, Merlot, Kalliste, Maria “Corsair Captain”, DeRoy “Duke”, Elius, Carina, Cernyx “Archon of Greenwish”, Cernunno, “King Admiral”, Alfrain “Chief”, Randall, Holden, Rupin “Crimson Demon”, Trigno “Volcano”, Averill “Pirate Captain”, Sage

Topic changed from “New Unknowns” to “The Knowns” after several people complained about us knowing these characters.

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Do we have some stuff to tell how strong Freedrock is in canon rn? I don’t know all that much about him aside from what his curse is and does.

He battled king Cross for several days before finally dying according to Azarel
As to how strong he is right now…
I can only position him above king Cross now (since he powered up when he died)

That makes it kinda hard cause we that really only tells us how strong he is in relation to another character. Do we know what King Cross did? Is there stuff from Freedrock in AA that might help?

Uhhhhh…
He teaches radius fist?
Maybe mr betec man can help?

Durendal was a Legendary Weapon, on par with the Sword of Morock’s Fire, and it belonged to Freedrock, so he must be pretty tough.

Is it canon Durendal belonged to him?
We need sources for everything, how do you know it’s on par with Morock’s sword? Besides, Morock having Promethean fire has been retconed, so it cannot be as strong anymore.

Can we call them something other than “The Unknowns”? We know of them, why would they even be called that?

Semi-related since it pertains to kingslayer’s power, but do we know if Freedrock got the Lazarus curse before or after his final battle with Cross? Cause Azreal’s story makes it seem like it’s possible he got if after the final battle

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I ask because if Hera gave Freedrock the Lazarus curse after that final battle, then I don’t think King Cross would be powerful enough to be listed in top 10. Don’t get me wrong, he’d still be strong, but Freedrock’s probably powered up a ton since then with the curse

Nothing super concrete but Freedrock was listed as the 11th unknown back in the WoM days. Even though that’s been retconned and he’s not stronger than Arthur anymore, I’m sure he’s still incredibly powerful given he’s had a curse since the Golden Age of Magic

I’ll ask him either right after he answers the last question I asked or sometime later today or tomorrow if he doesn’t answer my last question.

But we know all these people :neutral_face:

Even though the unknowns are still not canon as far as I’m aware, the new version of Torren (King Cross) might fit in the Third, if I remember Mortal’s Riddle 1 solution.

Hm…
I think this cements king Cross beneath Freedrock then, without any doubt. Because if he was just a hair stronger than him, then with Lazarus curse, and 568 (or something like that) deaths during which his power increased by the golden ratio, he has to be stronger

Whom do we put as second though?

I mean if we’re doing this based off of the retcon grey area of the riddles, 1 and 2 are still Chaos and Creation

I feel like they’re both too obvious. There wouldn’t be anything special about having them on the list.


Are we sure the seal part is still canon?

I’m assuming that the non-corporeal forces that created the universe would fall under non-humans and unreasonable to add

Nah let’s add the one primordial force that singlehandedly made most of the world an uninhabitable magic-polluted wasteland