PvP Eligibility Changes

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PvP Eligibility Changes
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thats why you have a hbe toggle

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i wish there was a “ironman” mode that removed trading (and later auction house) and as a upside to not being able to interact with the community you even get exception from PvP

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I have encountered both of these kinds of players. The one who killed me at low renown farmed me three times, including once after I fought Calvus and had low HP. The one who RKed me did so when I was playing a level 98 character. These kinds of players are the worst of the worst, and they should not be listened to regarding changes to impact community health and toxicity management.

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I do agree with this sentiment, although at the same time I don’t think most of the people who have spoken in this thread fall under this description. There are people who genuinely wish for the PvP to remain the same for fear that things will change, I’d imagine. The people who want the PvP to remain mostly the same wouldn’t be affected greatly by this change, though- since most PvP takes place between max level players, combat level will not affect them at all.

These changes are meant to target the toxicity amongst the kinds of players who would farm others for little reason, since their presence could turn players away from playing the game- and also make it so that if you’re attacked and killed it feels more fair overall.

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Great delivery on the idea, and I wouldn’t mind it. I still lean more toward not making pvp restrictions it could be a slippery slide where now theres too many restrictions and the world will feel less immersive. Either way though It wont make much difference to my experience so maybe it would just be better for the community as a whole to add your idea.

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The restriction on not being able to hunt someone who fends off their attacker successfully already exists in the game, and as has been said above the restriction about not being able to hunt someone who was hunted recently should be getting added for the next update regardless?

I understand where you’re coming from, though- a world where you’re supposed to be able to attack anyone being bogged down by people waiting out PvP protection timers can be a bit much if handled poorly. Most of the situations I’ve presented, however, are meant to prevent situations where someone is caught off guard without being able to defend themselves, or to give them a chance to recover from taking a death. Taking a death from PvP giving more protection time than taking a death from other sources is intentional, in order to greatly disincentivize the act of farming someone repeatedly for their renown or player kills.

If it really becomes an issue (and personally I don’t think this should happen but if it DOES, the PvP protection can be turned into a renown shield, where you don’t lose renown for dying while the shield is up, and anyone killing you doesn’t get any benefits to their players killed statistic. I don’t like this outcome though because the people who would still just kill others to ruin someone’s day would take advantage of it- even if the timer for the shield is reset for every death.

All of that is to say that while it may hinder the immersion, I believe it will still benefit the game as a whole to prevent situations which can cause newer players to quit due to toxicity.

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This is who I was referring to, not PVPers in general.

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The thing is AO is supposed to be a non hand holding challenging game, which is personally why I have so much respect for it. I feel like people fear toxicity too much, I get it losing progress and dying in the game sucks. This is what makes the game rewarding to play though imo.

I think the problem is the mentality people have on toxicity and the way they view it. There are lots of hard trials and toxic people in life in general. So if you can’t handle being bullied a little bit in a game that’s meant to be challenging, maybe you should find a different game. There’s plenty of ways to get around the toxicity with out having to implement hand holding systems.

I personally only pvp and hunt high renown/kill count players anyways, so its not really going to effect me much. I think for the community as a whole people should change their perspective on these “toxicity” obstacles.

If your life was perfect with out any adversity’s where’s the art, grand story, and poetic justice. I personally love encountering “toxic” players its fun even if I don’t win there’s something to be learned, and when I do win it’s a great story I get to talk about to friends .

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that’s probably best discussed in game discussion. I think it could get a lot of responses from people

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Although I understand where you’re coming from, my main concern is when people take it too far. Even if the game isn’t for everyone, the people who may find it fun when they gain more skill in the systems might not even make it that far if they’re discouraged from playing the game due to farmers.

Once again speaking from what I’ve heard, someone mentioned trying to get a friend into AO and they were enjoying the experience right up until someone started to farm them right at level 50 for seemingly no reason. As things stand now, most of the protection cases I mentioned will only affect the people who just farm others who just want to play the story/spawncamping instead of actually going and earning their renown through proper battles. I do get that the experience can be rewarding. The intention here isn’t to detract from that.

Sometimes, getting killed happens. It’s part of the game. It sucks, but it’s understandable. My concern is when someone gets killed over and over. I’ve personally been a victim of this, losing 100k renown (out of roughly 300k) over the span of about 20-30 minutes because one guy decided to repeatedly farm me. The only reason it stretched out that far is because I have a fast ship and was able to outrun them for a bit, and admittedly getting very lucky with whirlpools and sharks. When players are put into a situation like that where they’re being repeatedly targeted many times in a short timeframe without being able to escape, that causes more problems than not.

The situations I suggested to give protections in are situations that would help prevent cases like what I went through or like what that level 50 went through from happening, which I believe will overall benefit the game’s health. It won’t impact many of the current players either, as most PvPers are max level and have completed the story. The only people it will affect are the people who kill other people without any rhyme or reason (negatively) and the people who are victims of the ones who would kill others without rhyme or reason (positively)

As I see it, this change won’t have a negative impact on most of the playerbase 90% of the time, and most of the other 10% of the time the negativity isn’t severe/helps discourage behavior that can be detrimental to the game’s overall health

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I view it as a strictly bad thing because why should I see people being assholes as a good thing or even an acceptable thing.

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It’s more about overcoming it than accepting it.

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Firstly: That first thing you said is something people play games to get away from.
Secondly: Bullying is something that should never be quantified as “a little bit”.
Thirdly: This isn’t handholding, this is preventing shitty people from doing shitty things because they get a laugh out of making other people unhappy, fuck those people.

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kk ye the constant hunting is a bit much I have to agree.

55

just leave lmfao

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“just leave” isn’t a valid reason for this suggestion to not be considered, and considering the radial combat tag I would have lost even more renown

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Hunt cooldown exists

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They can’t radial tag u again, so u can leave

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i don’t think that was a thing, but I digress

the solution to a problem shouldn’t just be “leave the game” all the time, and I do admit I probably could have left sooner, but that doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things- new players might not leave immediately either

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I’ll be honest. I LOVE that AO can be a challenging game, especially for boss fights, though I think when it comes to players it’s worse.

I’ll compare it to Dark Souls, I guess. You’re brand new, enter room, boss fight you didn’t expect, you die, you respawn and now know and can prepare for it. For going against players it’s not so easy. Each server’s going to be different, so there’s nothing to really prepare for. Sometimes you see nobody, other times you get ambushed while loading in. I think there’s definitely a difference between non-hand holding and just straight up an annoyance. At its core, AO’s really supposed to be a story game, as Vetex even stated himself, so mixing in an unwanted PvP experience for people just trying to experience the story isn’t really non-hand holding. It’s not really intended to ruin the PvE experience, yet it does anyways.