Good. Keep it that way
I got jumped
Twice
Because I had 15k+ fame
It got so bad I got killed into negative renown
Jimmy Crest is weak to sparrow thrust
I don’t think you can get killed into negative renown…
this is the real feature we need
you can if you get assassinated to neutral then get on the agora
It wasn’t about ganking, it was about whether something is “forced”.
well I somehow did
This was pre 2023 easter
I think the “tolerance” stems from either “I like to fight people and wish people would fight” or “it makes the world feel more dynamic.”
everything in this game feels kinda hostile imo, so it’s just a part of the game (sharks, weather, islands controlling mobility, ships being a pain to fight on, random max level criminal/hero about to kill me, pirates, gear sometimes literally being an rng fest through treasure chests and charts, Scrolls, treasure charts being lost on death, ect) to me. Running from some guy who stat checks me? Another AO moment.
This greatly encourages retreating. Combined with how combat works (every move kills momentum, advancing attacks have lag), it makes retreating the name of the game.
And with how much people hate zoners in fighting games, people just get angry.
It’s not really about what makes a game okay, it’s more like a hidden complain about “why can’t I kill people.” Kinda like how people will complain about bosses being too hard until they beat them (And sometimes they have a point too).
the advocacy for pvp is “I can’t play the game how I want.” If retreating became difficult, all the sudden combat is forced on people and now the complaints will be " I can’t not pvp." The argument supporting ganking is mostly “I wanna pvp cuz I have the option.”
Most bosses don’t actually retreat, they’d just fight. In this way, PvE naturally makes it so people can engage with it without worrying about someone else. (I bet Calvus would be very sad about getting mauled repeatedly for his cape.) Pvp, however, can be avoided so naturally the complaint is “why won’t you fight me???” without considering that the chase is part of the fight(since just like how open-world pvp gives people the option to fight, it give people the option to run.)
I as a player will always have the option to retreat. It’s my method of fighting. Unfortunately it ain’t what someone else wants to deal with. They don’t consider it pvp.
People might actually want to fight if there weren’t so many risks attached to fighting. But since it’s so risky, retreating is both appealing(no risk, better reward, since most pvp tends to be negative reward for most pve players) and strong because of the game design.
Basically:
The tolerance is because some people simply want to pvp, without considering that the person they face is also a person.
(imo, People are saying get good because they can win in pvp. If they weren’t good at pvp, they’d probably complain too. Now that they are “good” they just tell other people that because that’s what people before them told them.)
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I think. I dunno, I’m just a scrub.
ah, the age old internet gambit of “im the only actual cognizant human here probably”
dark souls moment
person 1: “i cant beat this boss”
person 2: “get good”
person 1 gets good
person 3: “i cant beat this boss”
person 1: “get good”
and the cycle continues
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I will run like a coward because I am.
Peak gameplay.
(Maybe I should’ve rephrased the summary… oh well.)
Thats like saying “americans deserve tk get shot because they chose to go to school in a country wiht legal guns”
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“serbs should explode cause they live in a place littered by land mines”
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Exactly. The argument doesnt make any sense in any other context, so why woudl it make sense here
by living, you accept that you may experience terrible things. nothing is forced about being tortured because you chose to live in a world with bad things.
Huh (i require clarificatio , whos side are you on?)
team “nothing is forced” is dumb af
looks ironic to me