Remove agility please

[OOFUS]

@Volcanic

It has countless uses outside of running (removing it fucks with those)

we literally have gems for those exact reasons (swim speed and climb speed)

[LiterallyLoki]

@Volcanic

I just said that removing agility is (dont say the r slur) a stupid way of doing it.

The fact you said this as a joke makes me disappointed in you, don’t say slurs people - even ones you can reclaim. It can make people uncomfortable, and we should respect people’s boundaries.

Also, once again, I’ve never had a problem with agility, even when I would get ganked. It’s something I’ve come to terms with, I suppose. Speed stats in games are always fun, and difficult to balance.

[Volcanic]

@rotisserie

That doesn’t really change anything. The ganker can still run from the fight that they started, leaving the problem unsolved.

the point is if you run a lot more agility than your opponent you’d still be able to escape, this is fair alot of people invest in the stat because it can keep them safe. people running agility lose out on consistency stats and their should be a significant advantage for this. if you have over 200 less speed than you opponent then let them run and then leave.

@rotisserie

I mean, that’s fair and all. Maybe it’d take some skill,

speed in general requires aim

@rotisserie

, and it might be possible in a perfect scenario outside of any towns with obstructions. But if a ganker is running into a town and uses houses as a cover, you’re only increasing the gap between you and the ganker.

size cant hit people through walls either? if a ganker hides in a town then they aren’t gaining any distance on you anyway

@rotisserie

…That’s the point. Player 1 still has a chance to catch player 2 because, instead of it being a stat difference, it’s a resource difference.

this doesn’t make any sense…
your just changing the grind from dromeas to luminous coral…

@rotisserie

And that’s a big difference. Incorporating an entirely new stat into your build vs grinding some reagents for just incase situations are completely different.

i don’t really agree with this… but it’s a valid point. imo i think bneing forced to grind potions just to be able to survive ganks is just as bad as fitting 100 agility into a build (cqc is forced to do this anyway)

@rotisserie

also, dodge reflex and agility are the same regardless of class. A mages dodge reflex isn’t any better than a warriors or a berseker.

im not talking about the reflex… im saying berserker loses a lot ofcrash distance and mage loses less reflex distance, so it becomes harder to cqc than it does to back dash.

@OOFUS

we literally have gems for those exact reasons (swim speed and climb speed)

???
climb speed?
this has to be a joke…
and what are you going to do about land travel

@LiterallyLoki

The fact you said this as a joke makes me disappointed in you, don’t say slurs people

i was saying this cause earlier on the post i said it (not to anyone else) and I got flagged by moderator or smth (idk the rule)

[CookieTank12345]

yapfest here is wild

[rotisserie]

• enters topic
• calls everyone a yapper
• leaves

[rotisserie]

will respond in 7 hours

[Volcanic]

thats fine

[OnionCream]

@Volcanic

the point is if you run a lot more agility than your opponent you’d still be able to escape, this is fair alot of people invest in the stat because it can keep them safe. people running agility lose out on consistency stats and their should be a significant advantage for this. if you have over 200 less speed than you opponent then let them run and then leave.

it is technically fair and working as intended, the issue is the opposing player has zero way to counter this if they have less agility

@Volcanic

i don’t really agree with this… but it’s a valid point. imo i think bneing forced to grind potions just to be able to survive ganks is just as bad as fitting 100 agility into a build (cqc is forced to do this anyway)

one is a permanent buff that you’re forced to put into your build and the other are temporary buffs that anyone can grind and use on a whim (as opposed to changing ur entire build to fit agility in)

i agree though
but as i said, potions and agility are both issues independent of each other
being forced to grind potions is and will be a major problem with or without agility
removing agility would make it so the deciding factors are skill and potions instead of whoever has more agility and potions

@Volcanic

im not talking about the reflex… im saying berserker loses a lot ofcrash distance and mage loses less reflex distance, so it becomes harder to cqc than it does to back dash.

if everyone has the same amount of speed it becomes skill based
it’s not like berserker has less base speed than mages

[Zormego]

That one’s going in my reaction folder.

[CookieTank12345]

you’re welcome

[Volcanic]

@OnionCream

it is technically fair and working as intended, the issue is the opposing player has zero way to counter this if they have less agility

you should be able to still land attacks and counter them running as long as the agility diff is less than 150 to 200, i feel like thats fair… if you opinion is different than we can rework the suggestion a little but the idea is good, a cone check that increases agility when you are facing someone

[Meta]

An idea like this may actually be on the table now, but most AOEs in the game or abilities with high scaling per tier would need their tier scaling slashed down so that they don’t become ridiculously oppressive on low health targets if Agility is significantly nerfed.

As things currently stand, we are looking into doing some downscaling of abilities with high tier scaling (2.5+) in general so that AOEs don’t get ridiculously fat at base in a few level caps when they already can be.

[puppykeeper1234]

So to nerf agility your gonna nerf all other stats too

[MrYes]

And when everyone’s weak…
…no one will be

[Meta]

@puppykeeper1234

nerf all other stats too

The only other substat that we will adjust is Attack Size with a new formula that would make it fully additive on size affinities rather than multiplicative (nerfs size stacking builds the most), but most of the other substats dont have any planned significant changes.

We are however planning a few changes to reduce the potency of “stat check” (high power defense) builds in an interesting way (though it may come with some straight nerfs and compensations in some areas), so stay tuned for that.

[Mr_hyperspace]

Lets just remove the main stats and give everybody a massive base health and damage boost to compensate
Power defense meta solved

[OnionCream]

agility rework and atk size nerf all in one?
i love you meta

[Mr_hyperspace]

@Meta

nerfs size stacking builds the most

rare metal conjurer L (please send buffs we don’t have bleed stacking anymore)

[wheatwhole]

can we make a post called “Remove power please”

[OnionCream]

why don’t you make it yourself