true, i’ll conceed that that part is my bad
i made this post while very annoyed so yeah it was more of a rant than a discussion
there’s several reasons why i disagree with you but i’m too tired to continue this post atp
Tbh, if Vetex added outposts to some islands and made this blast in gankers’ ears again at 230 decibels, I think ganking would become less of an issue. Grand Navy spawning at sea takes much too long to mean anything on islands. Even if they don’t do much damage, they can distract enough for PvErs to escape.
I assume there is some unspoken reason, besides the setting of AO compared to WOM, why the Grand Navy doesn’t have outposts on islands (at least not yet) or simply spawn on the island itself. I don’t like the idea of removing agility though because actual melee builds (Juggernaut, Berserk, etc) almost require it
why have so many people in favor argued specifically that the game’s PvP is unbearable specifically because of agility.
Its not, its unbearable without it too.
“use potions” please kindly shut up.
The love potions you all talk about as being the perfect replacement for agility both invalidates your own argument AND is useless as a solution simultaneously.
Not only would it serve the role of the supposed perfect no-danger switch that agility potions supposedly are, but it’d be even better at it! Wow this guy literally can’t fight you ever again in this server! So, if this is in the game and you’re supporting it, what’s the issue with agility again?
However, in reality, your T5 love gel just got disabled by a T1 potion that took infinitely less effort to make. So, tell me, are ya’ll giving love gels all this praise specifically because you know its useless and want us to believe its useful, or do you all genuinely believe they’re useful lol.
Potions are even more of a part of why people dislike PvP than agility lol.
It allows people to put an even bigger gap between stats abruptly because they grinded more.
What are people going to do about nuclear size builds without agility? I ask because they’re clearly not getting patched out given that we’re nearing two years.
Sure, removing agility might solve a problem, but it’ll just open up several more.
This is a net negative.
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First of all, I would like to apologize. I have never fought an agility build until now, and I was completely wrong. I hope you can forgive me for making such a rude, naive post.
How was it? /genq
anti-bait 
pro went against an agility wind build -_-
I like the idea of a speed build, but someone with 200+ agility is too difficult to hit. Again, I apologize for the rude post.
and they just freeze up and refuse to leave their ships when they do get onto the island lmao
yeah i agree more in universe measures should be in pplace to counter gankers like guard npcs who aggro onto a player that starts a fight
what the heck
ummmm, you’re forgiven i guess?
just curious, but what are the balance team’s views on agility currently?
agility is dumb but we should make sure any changes benefit both parties (PvE and PvP)
I mean the easiest (and most obvious) solution is just to buff the natural base speed of the players
speed potions can stay though, since they’re easier to control compared to the actual agility stat.
“but typ0 that makes gankers still have the ability to get unfair advantages against their targets” yea honestly a ganker is always going to have an unfair advantage there’s not a lot we can do to fix this
That’s not the point, at all.
A love gel effectively ends all fights in a stalemate no matter what. You can’t come back from a love gel. There’s no, “Run away, heal up, come back”, the status effect cannot be cleared- only prevented. When someone uses a love gel, all targets are given the option to simply leave the game and find someone else to a pick a fight with. Only an idiot would actually stay in the server with someone they just love-gel’ed, especially if that idiot chose to love gel someone in the first place (Typically, people that use love gels just leave after the combat timer runs out).
On the other hand, someone with 200 agility can continuously attempt to destroy their target with no downsides. It typically goes like this:
Run to target → Attack target → Run away from target when you get low → Repeat
With agility, the fight doesn’t end in a stalemate. In fact, the fight might never end at all. The one running the most agility can treat a player like a boss NPC, running away and healing up, then coming back and attacking again before the combat timer runs out.
Winning is nearly impossible. If you were to win, it’s usually because they were dumb enough to let them get so low that you could finish them with a blast or placed explosion.
The problem isn’t that people are using agility to run from fights. The problem is that people are using agility to run from fights THEY STARTED.
That doesn’t make any sense. In that case, why do we even have a leveling system? Isn’t it unfair for a max level to be stronger than a low level because they decided to play for a little while longer?
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kingbacon’s vid where he fights another agility user and the fight ends after 40 minutes in a stalemate comes to mind 
By my standards, a 40 minute 1v1 might as well be endless…
might as well be consider neither of them even won in the end lmao
kingbacon is cancer
i agree
but seeing that vid really causes u to think about the state of world pvp
your T5 love gel that required you spend several hours finding incredibly rare life essences through the dark sea is countered by a T1 that requires a pink apple on any island that has trees.
unless you’re fighting morons that forgot potion brewing existed, love gels do not work.
frankly, the status prevention should have never been added, or it should cost the same as the potion its countering at least.
A potion as expensive as a T5 love gel shouldn’t just get hit with nuh-uh because a guy drank a singular pink apple.
pretty sure that’s not how it works