Revamped trading value list

[Nuclearman7]

lmfao ez

[anon32468667]

broo at least now you know your list is really good when I feel like only 8 minutes passed whilst making a reply that actually took over half an hour

[Nuclearman7]

alright corrected those grammar and punctuation mistakes

I’ll give my opinion about what you said in a short form so you won’t have to read much anymore

@anon32468667

Imo the difference between swift and clean isn’t quite more than 20% but meh it’s not that big of a deal

the reason why I consider it >> is because swift basically provides nothing of value to oaths. The only reason it’s above hard in value is purely because of the reputation of swift weapons

@anon32468667

A bit weird to not group all of these together and classify them all in one group, although some of these are def better than the other none of them really get more demand than the other

this was more of a personal opinion of mine. Whenever I get nimble on an exiled piece it always feels more of a dissapointment than swift, keen or bursting. But that’s also why I used a “≥” since the value difference between them is really small

@anon32468667

Personally I’d say it’s eeeeever so slightly more than a clean oath though I am intrigued to see you elaborate

heavy woj generally has less demand even tho it’s the better item
but as mentioned this list can’t be 100% accurate for every trader, but = and ≥ atleast arent far apart

@anon32468667

For the “Complex value list of exiled/minotaur items” there’s a decent bit I’d change though a lot of it is really insignificant, so in summary I’d say that the single good enchant armours being > than the boss weapons (no matter good nor bad) most of them don’t really seem comprehensible as while they may actually hold more value people wouldn’t really do trades like that, sort of feels like boss weapons will always just have more potential/negotiating value over singular pieces of boss armour (excluding best enchant pieces) so people are hestitant to do trades like that, for the most part anyway.

ye that was by far the hardest part to make. I’ve asked xevenant and balls’ help but they have yet to respond. If they feel like anything needs to change about it then I will since if 3 traders disagree then that takes precedence over my own opinion unless I’ve got a very good argument to back my opinion up (which I really don’t in this case). But ye like you said most of those changes would be really small/insignificant changes

@anon32468667

To be honest this one’s a 50/50, some traders say that swift > clean and others say clean > swift, personally I’m on the clean > swift side, since I feel like that’s generally more true when trading with most people, so I’d say that swift > clean is the value of when trading with certain people/traders and for the rest of normal players clean > swift (at least that’s from what I’ve experienced)

In this case I took the testers’ opinions on weapon enchants which is prolly unfair considering this list is about wom’s current values. Otherwise I would have considered them equal since swift is for sure the best enchant for sunken swords.

@anon32468667

Hot topic this one is. I think 1.5 sss is too much since usually whenever someone says [limited stock of limited item] = x amount that means you will probably have to offer at least x amount due to the enormous negotiating value that the limited item has, and saying you have to offer around 2 sss for a headless mmmm while that would work I think it’s more fair to say it’s = 2 clean ss, though I swear every other mf will have a different opinion over this so it’s probably just best to say that it’s hard to accurately describe headless’ value due to it being a limited (though you will have to offer probably at least more than 1.75 ish clean sunken swords).

by now nearly every post offering for a headless has offered more than 2 clean sunken swords worth and they still haven’t gotten any trades. 1.5 sss is a little too much. Personally I would say 1.3 sss but 1.5 is just way more future proof which means I wouldn’t have to change anything for a long while

[anon32468667]

@Nuclearman7

the reason why I consider it >> is because swift basically provides nothing of value to oaths.

I’m a dumbass, meant swift and hard

@Nuclearman7

this was more of a personal opinion of mine. Whenever I get swift on an exiled piece it always feels more of a dissapointment than swift, keen or bursting. But that’s also why I used a “≥” since the value difference between them is really small

fair (assuming by “≥” you mean one digit % differences)

@Nuclearman7

heavy woj generally has less demand even tho it’s the better item

Ion know tho, doesn’t feel like the demand is enough to carry the value of the oath that far, but still, fair

@Nuclearman7

In this case I took the testers’ opinions on weapon enchants which is prolly unfair considering this list is about wom’s current values. Otherwise I would have considered them equal since swift is for sure the best enchant for sunken swords.

Hmm, it’s not bad to give insight about future values though it’s probably best to have had mentioned that earlier since it’s an inconsistency to the rest of the list (I assume anyway)

@Nuclearman7

by now nearly every post offering for a headless has offered more than 2 clean sunken swords worth and they still haven’t gotten any trades. 1.5 sss is a little too much. Personally I would say 1.3 sss but 1.5 is just way more future proof which means I wouldn’t have to change anything for a long while

Mmmm I’m too lazy to go dig throug the past hundreds of marketplace topics to see what the headless is averaging for but still it does feel to me as if 1.5 sss is too much, but I suppose not many people really think like me in the sense that headless = x means thats the minimum value

[Misinput]

because im not on my phone typing this in bed, and im actually on a computer, ill comment on something i forgor to mention in our dms

@Nuclearman7

For oath: Strong >> Clean >> Swift > Hard

this is honestly a personal preference. i switch hard and swift around. although, i value them very similarly
so i would go
Hard ≥ Swift

you dont have to change that i just thought id talk about it

[Nuclearman7]

@anon32468667

I’m a dumbass, meant swift and hard

oh alr then ye thats a fair point. I still feel like swift’s name alone carries swift oaths into being more valuable than hard ones. I could see the difference between them being smaller tho. Will change that to ≥ if more traders agree with you

@anon32468667

Ion know tho, doesn’t feel like the demand is enough to carry the value of the oath that far, but still, fair

fair point. If more traders agree I’ll change it to “heavy woj ≥ clean oath”

@anon32468667

Hmm, it’s not bad to give insight about future values though it’s probably best to have had mentioned that earlier since it’s an inconsistency to the rest of the list (I assume anyway)

true, lemme fix that since I want the list to stay consistent. Swift ss = clean ss it is

@anon32468667

Mmmm I’m too lazy to go dig throug the past hundreds of marketplace topics to see what the headless is averaging for but still it does feel to me as if 1.5 sss is too much, but I suppose not many people really think like me in the sense that headless = x means thats the minimum value

and Milkman posting Looking for headless (For sunkens) and fishbait (for boss drops, or LOTS for sunken) - Marketplace - Arcane Odyssey
are some of the most recent examples, average offers are atleast 1.3x sss value nowadays

[Nuclearman7]

fair point, tho from in-game trading experience (which might be outdated for oaths now too) and from trades on the forums I do really feel like the average person values swift above hard simply because of swift’s name. I get why too, since swift actually sounds like it does something for oaths unlike hard (even tho both dont do anything meaningful for oaths)

[Misinput]

i only value hard higher than swift because it at least gives more use than a swift oath
+10% blocking power on an oath gives it 23% blocking power, which isnt bad per se. unlike swift which does like nothing
as well, oaths look cool, so using one as a shield means u gotta use hard. hard better than swift
also nobody looks for swift oaths, so zero demand. only use them to rip off some dude if he looking for any oath

[bikbok]

@Nuclearman7

old daggers etc.

if anyone has old daggers i will buy them for boss drops

[anon32468667]

I’ll give you 3 old daggers and you give me headless

[bikbok]

if u get more then 10 i’ll give u mino boots

[anon32468667]

3.6 old dagger for 3 hard sunken set (with sword) take it or leave it

[bikbok]

old daggers aren’t worth sunkens at all shit trade

[Nuclearman7]

thing is im pretty sure every weapon has better blocking power than a hard oath
meaning if you wanted a weapon to block with you would use a hard vast, hard club etc which directly ties into my next point

@Misinput

as well, oaths look cool, so using one as a shield means u gotta use hard. hard better than swift

if someone wanted a weapon to block with they would likely use another weapon and even if they didnt want to use another weapon theres a good chance that they have a weapon with higher blocking power in their hotbar which they will block with automatically instead of the hard oath. Even with oaths looking cool i dont think anyone really wants a hard one just to block with.

@Misinput

also nobody looks for swift oaths, so zero demand. only use them to rip off some dude if he looking for any oath

very true. Thing is nobody looks for hard oaths either. I just feel like the name swift carries swift oaths into being more valuable. Hard is just generally associated with being useless unless it’s on armour or shields whilst swift atleast sounds like it does something. And ye for ripoffs swift is great because of exactly this ^

[anon32468667]

grrrr you strike a hard bargain, ok fine I’ll throw in FOUR whole FRESH bluefish, last offer

[seafoam]

thanks a ton!! i had no idea about all this until now, hopefully ill be able to not be broke in ao

[Nuclearman7]

thank you for strengthening this exact point

@Nuclearman7

Just because you traded an oath for a headless once doesn’t mean anything since you’re very unlikely to ever do that again.

[Nuclearman7]

glad to have helped

[Misinput]

@Nuclearman7

thing is im pretty sure every weapon has better blocking power than a hard oath

• daggers def has under 23%
• hard ss has 22%
• hard club has 22%

reason why i think hard oaths are good is because its the weapon of exile. many people want it, and honestly, woj looks cringe. i use hard oaths fairy regularly because they look cool

@Nuclearman7

Even with oaths looking cool i dont think anyone really wants a hard one just to block with.

must just be me then

@Nuclearman7

Hard is just generally associated with being useless unless it’s on armour or shields whilst swift atleast sounds like it does something

i look at swift and think it is horrible. on all weapons. maybe because i value hard higher
ONLY thing that is swift that i dont puke at is a ss

[anon32468667]

@Misinput

reason why i think hard oaths are good is because its the weapon of exile. many people want it, and honestly, woj looks cringe. i use hard oaths fairy regularly because they look cool

People use it/like it for raging storm not just for the model plus speaking truthfully I’ve seen no one else other than you prefer hard over swift on oaths, even people in-game I’ve seen would much rather have swift over hard