Had some interesting questions about magic energy I’m hoping some lore experts could illuminate me on as it would help in coming up with an idea I’m cooking. I’m sure the answer to one or two of these are in the lore document but I figured I’d put all these related questions together.
What color is pure magic energy and what does it look like?
Has anyone in lore made use of elementless/pure magic energy?
Has any non-deity and non-curse user been able to use magic without a circle and survive?
What would happen if one was exposed to a very dense pure magical energy?
What force is responsible for magic energy? Creation, chaos, a deity?
What especially differentiates spirit energy from magic energy?
Dark purple, similar to that of the Dark Sea and the reworked magic color.
Currently none known, however I’d assume that Mizeria (mentioned in shieldguard) did during her killings.
As of current lore, I don’t believe it’s possible to cast spells without circles. However, if we count trace magic, then constantly.
While I’m not entirely sure, I’d assume some level of insanity would be present. The insanity in the DS likely comes from the extreme levels of magic pollution, so it’d be logical to assume that insanity comes alongside extremely high levels of magic.
Chaos. " while Chaos is the force that created magic" - lore doc, page one.
From my limited understanding, spirit energy doesn’t come from Chaos, instead coming from Creation. Spirit energy doesn’t require circles, however the ability to use it is restricted to gods, their offspring, and weapons blessed by gods. Curses created with it don’t clash with magic according to Vetex. It be the cause of multiple things - lightning striking, the ground deforming, and more. Experienced users can even morph their own body - things that magic cannot do. It also functions as a life force more than a secondary energy - run out and you die.
It’s still confusing as hell, so I might have gotten some stuff wrong.
Mutation, atlanteans
Chaos
If you run out of magic energy, you’ll be exhausted for a few days, if you run out of spirit energy, you drop dead, people are naturally born with magic energy even if they can’t use it, but spirit energy needs spirit weapons to be harnessed
Dark Purple most likely, similar to hecate essence
None known, but it’s most likely not possible
Casting magic from the soul is no longer canon, originally you used to do this but using explosion would make your soul explode.
Most likely would go insane in a small amount of time, kinda like it was insanity 6, and also a fast mutation process
Chaos, he created it.
Spirit energy: It’s a life force that is present at all times and can only be controlled by gods (except when a spirit weapon is used), it can be used to create natural lightning, deform the ground and even modify one’s own body. Created by the deity ‘‘Creation’’
Magic Energy: It’s a destructive force that is present in creatures that can be born with such capabilities (Such as humans, sirens and dragons), it has multiple uses but its main use is to harm, it was created by the deity ‘‘Chaos’’
havent read up on the lore since I left the forums
I used to assume it was chaos’ color scheme but I think its purple
not that we know of
edit: I now remember enchanting exists… uhh, offensively then? not that we know of.
soul casting decanonized, if its possible in general not that we know of
for short period of time? insanity, heavily mind-altering to mind-shattering levels
for long periods of time? mutation. atlateanification.
Chaos.
made by Creation, not Chaos
never given to humans so only Spirit Weapon Users, God-Blooded, and Gods can use it
much different usecases, I see magic energy as more offensive oriented that can be used as utility whereas spirit energy is utility oriented but can be used as a weapon, could be wrong on that though
So to summarize what you’re all saying pure magic is colorless/pure white in low concentrations (ie basic combat and weapon auras) while deep purple at very high concentrations (and possibly due to influence from Chaos). While itself morally unaligned it was created by the primordial being Chaos and as such can harm the mind if one is overexposed. It exhibits more destructive and offensive properties as opposed to spirit energy’s creative and defensive properties.
Through enchanting it can be used to alter the properties of objects to make them hit harder or faster, protect the wearer, or empower the user of a worn object in various ways sometimes even to the point of harming their mind. At the same time powerful magical enchantment can also protect against insanity (warding) meaning that the maddening properties of pure magic, or rather Chaos’s influence within magic, can be circumvented.
I also recall a god giving mortals magic which is understandably a questionable decision knowing now where it’s from.
Prometheus Peobably: “Hey look, the cosmic being that desires to rip all of reality apart just made the divine equivalent of AIDs that gives you superpowers. I’m gonna go put this inside all the mortals.”
back in wom times the lore was that people used to always cast magic without circles, but that drained energy directly from the soul and was very taxing on the body. so then people invented magic circles and started using them as a catalyst of sorts to cast magic safely
Current lore, magic circles always existed, between retcons what remains of magic is that it was shown/given to humans in Athens by Prometheus, and it was only the original 7 (Earth, Wind, Water, Fire, Shadow, Light, Lightning). Later on, more magics would appear (mutations), and some would become more common that they became lesser lost (the base in Arcane Oddysey)
I think in current lore pure magical energy just can’t be safely handled like a proper magic type and one’s magic type they’re genetically predisposed to have would influence any attempt to use it. Interestingly a more martially-focused individual may be more likely to utilize pure magic energy than a mage then.
Speak his name and he shall appear! Like juancruz said do you wanna throw some of these questions around the patreon chat and get them definitively answered?
The word mutations always struck an interesting chord with me. Atlanteans are mutated humans exposed to the dark sea and by extension the influence of Chaos, their genetics chaotically spliced with sea life and their minds completely shattered. There’s a genetic factor that influences what magic type a person can use which can be altered as well. Magic is very much tied to physical biology, or at least shaped by it.
With the way atlanteans mutate in terms of abilities, being stat builds that the player can obtain, I honestly want to say that the player is some experiment to create a sane atlantean as a weapon of war potentially with the use of ichor and/or with aid from Chaos.
I mean yeah, atlanteans are people who evolved into whatever those things are due to the constant exposure of the Dark Sea’s magic rain (absurdly polluted), which made them adapt to said contamination, making them stronger but dumber, more like an animal (some are intelligent enough to sail ships but normally they go in packs of 2 or 3)
In other words, it’s haki, it’s literally just haki. Well that definitely clears it up, thank you! I was right about more martially-focused individuals being more capable of using pure magic energy. I guess then that magic energy color at high concentrations is entirely dependent on I guess your genetics, perhaps white and tinged slightly towards the color of your base magic on character creation. He didn’t quite answer what the energy itself looks like, like if it were a particle effect, just the color but that’s alright. I suppose Hecate essence also isn’t pure magical energy which makes sense. It’s the spiritual presence of Hecate which is purple mist with pink motes of light.
Basic Combat users are ironically the GOATs of pure magic. That and alchemists.
Correct
It also feels like it was made in the same way
Like the creator of the fictional universe realized he needed something that can harm people who can turn into elements because otherwise the MC doesn’t have a chance
If any of you were wondering I was asking these questions to better make fighting style suggestions, in particular Aura Condensing in this discussion topic made to see which of my ideas people wanna see most.
