There are some stretches to be made, namely with Babudia but she had a comparable skin tone to my character and my character is by no means pale.
Some of them also have much lighter hair. I don’t think it’s exactly 1 to 1 but there also aren’t any with like major differences. Brown/black hair, tan skin, blue eyes. Each to varying degrees but still it’s not like they are complete opposites. This isn’t even including the ones with a few of these traits but not all of them, which would be entirely possible.
The Ravenna Deserter Crew can even spawn with these traits.
took a while to think of one but i remembered in the watchtower on whispering caverns there’s a note on a barrel that i think talks about a shipment or something? will update later
ravenna deserters have randomized features i dont think they count
most of the examples you listed are of high, wealthy status (shopkeepers) that could reasonably be royal-blooded nobility
some of them dont look like their features are dark enough.
another thing to note is that ravenna nobles/royalty do not have freckles, not a single one, so id throw those out as freckles are known to be a genetic trait.
Most of them had similar features and they aren’t completely random. None of the Sailor crew these features while 3 of the Ravenna ones did. The rest all either had tanned skin, dark hair (brown/black) or blue eyes but not all three of these.
4 of the ones I listed were merchants. The rest (6) were not.
While there are variations between them I don’t believe that any of them are drastic enough to come to the conclusion that they are completely different ethnicities. None of my examples had major differences like blonde hair or pale/ebony skin nor were their eyes brown/green/black.
Just because people have freckles doesn’t mean they are of different ethnicities. This can be for whatever reasons but I don’t think that trait alone rules out there being a Ravenna ethnicity. It could have started as a mutation that worked it’s way in the gene pool now some of the population has it and some, like the royal family, does not.
Meanwhile why wouldn’t there be a Ravenna ethnicity? It is an island with it’s own culture and people who come from this island. They all descend from people of Ravenna and have the culture of Ravenna. They are people of Ravenna. They share physical traits (tanned skin + blue eyes + brown/black hair). This is pretty much the definition of an ethnicity.
personally i am of the opinion revon’s brown hair is an anomaly as none of the others do, which is why i discredit a few of the brown haired npcs
i believe some of the differences were a bit too extreme tbh.
this isnt like shell island with their tanned skin and dark hair with dark eyes, or frostmill’s generally pale skinned people as so far as some have white/platinum hair. no, this is a few npcs with very similar features.
Because they’re family. Families tend to share a lot of traits, a lot more than people around them. Two blonde people will likely have blonde kids but that doesn’t mean everyone in their culture/race has to have blonde hair. Yes Revon is an outlier in his family and it’s safe to assume that most of the family has really tanned skin, black hair, and really blue eyes. Not everyone in Ravenna would look like them because these people are family, their traits are strongly carried among them all while Ravenna as a whole has people with tanned skin, brown/black hair, and blue eyes to varying degrees.
There has to be an answer as to why a good amount of NPCs have these traits. Considering they are all on Ravenna along with a family (the royal family) who we know has likely been with Ravenna from the start I think it’s safe to assume that all of these people share a similar culture and have similar physical traits. That is just about as close to thee definition of ethnicity that you can get.
This is my theory as to why there are people like that around Ravenna, because each island would realistically have their own distinct feel to them both in the traits of their people and the culture of the land.
youre describing these people like theyre fish and whales. “they look similar, so they are the same”
ethnicity is a general area of ancestry, NOT looks. my ethnicity is asian, it doesnt mean ill look the same as another asian person. in fact we will look pretty different.
they look all the same cause theyre probably all from the original royal family, which you literally just confirmed what i was arguing
I’d say these 6 NPCs do not actually fall under the traits I described. Yes, they have relatively tan skin, but not as tan as all Ravenna nobles (except for Revon)
Assuming that the photo of the skin tone you attached is your character, I’d say most Ravenna nobles actually have a tone of which I circled in red. There is a pretty big difference.
Like sand said, the crew on your ship is also most likely randomized from a set of traits (accordingly to what the set of crew is). Some may have blue eyes, some may have darker hair, some may have tan skin in the Ravenna deserter crews. It may just be luck that all three traits were randomized into one NPC. Refer to what sand said for why some merchants like the blacksmith and the builder has those traits. (It is completely possible that they are nobles, considering those are respected trades.)
That’s my point exactly. Not everyone of them is going to look the same. There is going to be variation. They’re not gonna look the same. I’m not saying you would look like any other Asians but Asians don’t look like Caucasians nor do Africans look like Native Americans. There are similarities among the people of Ravenna as a whole. Tanned skin, blue eyes, brown/black hair.
Then why aren’t they of any status? If the traits of the royal family are so clear to people and unique (tanned skin with blue eyes isn’t exactly common) then why are they not accepted as royalty? Some of the people are just random citizens and some are even farmers. There is no hint of them being royalty outside of their appearance but this can be explained by just simply sharing an ethnicity.
Most nobles, yes. They are passing on that trait. We don’t know the mothers of any of the nobles, Carina was the only female we saw and we don’t know if she was even a mother (nor what her children would look like so doesn’t really matter).
Both Calvus and Revon are not as dark as you described and if anyone was of royal blood it’d be the King.
The citizens of Ravenna don’t stray too far from this. Sure some of them push the color of hair quite a bit but black hair could be a relative uncommon trait that the royal family happened to secure (not even entirely because Revon doesn’t have black hair).
There may not be a Ravenna ethnicity but I am inclined to think that it is more likely that there is a Ravenna ethnicity and or race rather than just a bunch of common people happen to share many traits of Ravenna royalty because their family were once royalty? Yeah I don’t quite get that train of thought personally.
Also you can add the alchemist in Rubica to the list of NPCs with black hair, blue eyes and tanned skin. She looks more like royalty than Revon or Calvus imo. Forgot to take a picture of her when I got on to take the picture of Calvus.
Like I stated, majority of the examples of NPCs you’ve given do not fit the criteria. If it was a general ethnicity, nearly ALL Ravenna citizens would have it. The only NPCs that do not have a noble title whom fit under the trait is Kaeso Revora, and a few other shop NPCs which I already explained.
There are many reasons why one may not have the title as well. Assuming that Ravenna is a monarchy (which it most likely is due to the fact there’s a king), a noble can lose their title by marrying a commoner.
It’s canon that Carina nor Elius has children. Lord Ulrcius states that if they are both dead, then the bloodline will end with him. Additionally, unless Carina had married to another noble, she would lose her title (showing how she is not a mother)
I went and compared the tones. Calvus has the skin tones (unsure of the actual one) in the red circle range. Revon has skin tone in the blue circle range. Like how sand explained, Revon may be an exception, and a part of me thinks either he had a different mother, or maybe he just isn’t actually born from the nobles at all.
I just don’t think it’s a simple ethnicity if the majority of those who fall under it are nobles. Ethnicity would usually cover the entire nation/country, especially for Ravenna where it is implied not many newcomers come. (They are able to notice you are not from Ravenna)
Loosen the criteria. Some people of the Monoah Village on Shell Island have just as drastic skin tone differences as those in Ravenna along with having difficult colored eyes. One of them even has blue eyes. I know they’re of the Monoah Village because their names follow the same conventions. The ethnicity can just be much more vast than simply “black hair, bright blue eyes, and tanned skin”. As you said before, not all Asians look the same, so neither would everyone in Ravenna
A solid chunk of Ravenna’s citizens carry one of those traits with a good amount carrying all three. Even including the ones that carry two and not three that is still a majority of their population if you expand the criteria since it is so narrow to begin with.
Didn’t know that, not too into the lore. Due to my unfamiliarity with it I’m going to pretty much abstain from this. But how would Carina not marrying lead to her losing her title?
It wouldn’t be, because there are more of them. As I said earlier in this message, widen the criteria because it doesn’t make sense to think that an ethnic group of people need to have the same exact traits (especially when you yourself said not all Asians look the same). Not everyone in Ravenna has to look the same. Some of them can have different but similar attributes, like brown hair instead of black.
My theory is that there is an ethnicity tied to Ravenna. The royal family is apart of it and a good amount of the citizens are too, I’d say even a lot of them. But there are areas in the ports were people can intermingle and move. They’ve probably had people come into their kingdom. Maybe refugees from Winterveil when it was nuked. Maybe they are just people who see Ravenna as a prosperous land and seek shelter. I do not have an answer as to why there are so many people in Ravenna who don’t match the proposed ethnicity. I have even more theories as to why but no solid answer. People can move to new areas. That is entirely possible. They could be recent (relatively or actually) and it perfectly explains why they are there, they moved there from different lands.
If the royal family of Revenna exclusively had these traits then, I’ll ask, where did they come from and how is it maintained? You get your traits from your mom and your dad. If it’s just this one royal family with these traits then how do they reproduce?
In a traditional setting in a monarchy-style patriarchal society (like Ravenna), a noblewoman will lose her title if she marries a commoner since she is no longer considered noble blood, or her title switches depending on her husband (Lord, Prince, Duke, King, etc)
